Speak in tongues
Pastor cajoles flock into kissing-fest
By ANNIE KARNI
Source: NYPost.com
It’s Our Lady of Spin the Bottle.
Pastor Maurice Johnson of the Winners Church in Queens delivers the sexiest Sunday sermon in town, preaching on how to keep romance alive in marriage — and then asking congregants to make out in a passionate, public kissing contest during the service.
The parishioners with the most passion — and tongue-wagging — win $50 to spend on date night.
“Your bedroom and your love life are fires that must be nurtured and fought for,” Johnson preaches in a booming voice that reverberates through the makeshift church in the PS 38 gym in Rosedale, Queens.
He adds, “You should be visually stimulated for your husband or your wife. It is your biblical responsibility to look good for your spouse.”
Johnson then calls upon four married couples to rise and approach the pulpit.
As a keyboardist and a drummer ooze R&B tunes such as “I Like It” by DeBarge, the couples demonstrate their passion — by locking lips, hips and tongues for a seemingly endless five minutes.
When they come up for air, the rest of the churchgoers choose a winner by clapping for the most amorous couple.
Johnson, 39, told The Post he chose to deliver a series of sermons, titled “The Power and Pleasure of Romance,” to underscore the importance of marriage in the African-American community.
“Some people were like, ‘It seems strange to do at church,’ ” he said, “but they thought it was very creative.”
Keeping a romantic partnership ticking, he said, depends on showering your spouse with physical affection.
“God created a desire for love and romance,” Johnson said.
The face-sucking had some churchgoers blushing.
“You see kissing in all kinds of contexts, but you don’t necessarily see it in a marriage context,” said Frantz Cochy, 39, who won the contest when he seemed to forget that he was in front of a crowded room and hungrily embraced his wife of 13 years, Makeetah, 36.
“I wasn’t embarrassed, but I guess I felt a little awkward,” he said.
Olaiya Ayani, 33, had to cajole his wife, Ayanna, to stand up and play tonsil hockey in front of the packed room. But once on stage, the couple wrapped their arms around each other and didn’t hold back.
“My father and my mother never showed affection in public,” said Ayani, who met his wife two years ago on Craigslist. “I told myself, ‘I’m going to be more affectionate to my wife.’ ”
The pastor said he encourages married couples to drop their guard and experiment with each other in public.
“Any society that celebrates marriage, romance and love is going to be a free society,” Johnson said. “Public displays of affection aren’t wrong. Adam and Eve were naked, and they were not ashamed.”
The bachelor pastor says he’ll practice what he preaches next year, when he expects to marry.
First of all Adam and Eve had no ideal that they were naked until they sinned in the garden. The young man needs to be under someone’s teaching of the truth of God’s word. He is not married himself and doing something this probably getting excited himself. But we really need to be praying for this people who are being led astray with false doctrine, but when you have itching ears and are asleep them you will fall for anything!!!
We as saints of God have to be on the wall with prayer without ceasing the Bible say’s that they will be doing just what they did in Noah’s time. We don’t even believe He is coming back where are the Elders, Bishops, Pastors, Intercessors, and Mothers to say baby no that is not what God would have you to do!!! Exministries keep on sounding the ALARM LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!!!!!
Eph. 5:6-16 6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Wow! Adam and Eve were in fact naked and not ashamed but they were clothed in the Glory of God. They were in the realm of the Glory while in the garden. And that glory covered them! Many times we see pictures of halos just above the heads of pure and holy people or beings but Adam and Eve were covered in the Glory with a never ending live encasement of God’s Glory from the head to the toe. The book of Psalms speaks of the crowning of God’s Glory but it is an entire covering.
I’m not sure if I can say that reading what I have read concerning this particular church saddens or surprises me because some of us are purposely falling away; its like we are giving up right before the end and some of us are being tricked back into the world again. But, I will say these are not the times to look back, preach false doctrines, entertain the doctrines of demons, or waste one moment of time! We need to lay aside every weight saints for can’t you sense His coming? Don’t you feel our Lord pressing upon this earth? Let’s get ready, let’s be in a state of readiness. We need to intercede like never before. If we don’t who will? If we don’t witness to the world, to our families, cover those who seem to have lost their minds to this world then who will? The things we know to do…we have to do more now than ever before and with a greater intensity. Let us press on! The King is coming! Praise The Lord!!!
How much more disgusting can these so called people of God get! why do they use instances and scriptures of the Bible to support their nonsense? Imagine Johnson saying Adam and Eve were naked and weren’t ashamed! to support his game. Who were there to see Adam and Eve except God and the serpent? And yes they were afraid and ashamed that’s why they were hiding! Adam and Eve were in their home, naked and hiding because they still had conscience to acknowledge they had sinned and were naked! Are these people in their homes making out or in the church showing off on single people and stirring lust in others while the perpetrator gets his high? I feel sorry for these people for they seemed to be under a spell or hypnosis from this guy. These guys ruling the masses by witchcraft. Please let us pray for the world. Again, God is not to be mocked!
First thing he is going to do is try to do is defend his perverted action is to say they are married couples making out in a holy ghost way..big joke.! The house of the Lord is for one reason and that is to worship the Lord, not worship your wife, your husband or the pastor. Your bedroom is for that or whereever else private you chose. why are these pastors defiling the house of God with their own perverted whims and fancies. Answer is simply, they are not called by God! Christ will be soon coming to destroy those temples just like in the olden days when the people were exchanging money and selling animals and all other illicit acts in the temple. Beware ! God is not to be mocked!
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This guy is a pervert. I recently saw a post that a Chirstian friend commented on about sodomy ( she used other words) between heterosexual Christian couples. I was appaled as my newly delivered friend commented about it. She was a “whore” by her own admission. But now she says that if it doesn’t embarass or shame eachother it is okay. Well if you both were saved and were formely freaky I can’t see what will embarass you? We take that “Marriage bed undefiled” to far.. you can’t watch porn get ideas ,and then say ” well becasue we’re married” where is the discernemt. I mean the function of the body will tell you the purpose and somethings are just not to be done< Is anybody ready for Jesus to come back like yesterday!! lol…
I don’t think it’s very wise to be intimate with your spouse in public. Especially with single people in the midst that are trying to stay single. I don’t think it’s good for a wife to be okay with it either considering the fact that there are onlookers which usually MOST OF THE TIME include a small group of men and a big group of women since, well, there tends to be more women than men for the most part especially in most churches.. When these women see how good the man treats his wife, especially concerning intimacy, lusting is what would probably begin to occur.. Or vis versa.. Hope this explanation was appropriate :-/ Just not trying to be too detailistic..
And intimate meaning like crazyy intimate and in public meaning like church or like a get together or birthday party or something..
I am not against married couples making out even if they make out to DeBarge. However, I don’t think church was the right place for this. This is for outside the church house, maybe at home or in a park or just somewhere else. What gave me that clue was that the keyboardist was playing a worldly song.
But at the same time, I think if used in the right place, this can be a witness and an example to gay people. This can show them the true picture of what God wants a marriage to look like.
Whatever type of spirit the pastor is carring or following, many in that congregation will also carry or follow that same spirit! This man has a spirit of sexual immorality, apparently his congreation does also! Many of people are going to hell on a daily basis, but we must focus on getting our grove on. WOW! FREAKS!
The only message that should be preached right now from behind the pulpit is: REPENTANCE and HE’S RETURNING VERY SOON, PREPARE YOURSELVES! Anything else shouldn’t matter.
This man is a pervert!
The pastor not even married?? I would have thougth this can be done at a marriage retreat or something but in that context I don’t know…
This is not the mind of Christ. This man is an idiot (full of lust). The bible says,”And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Acts 17:30
The bachelor pastor is full of lust
Lol! Right
“As a keyboardist and a drummer ooze R&B tunes such as “I Like It” by DeBarge, the couples demonstrate their passion — by locking lips, hips and tongues for a seemingly endless five minutes.”
– How does any of this give GLORY TO GOD, OUR FATHER??!
This man w/ the word is like an unskilled surgeon w/ a scalpel extremely dangerous! Please do not follow the blind they will only lead you into a ditch.
Boy, if you think THIS is a topic for discussion, then you better not attempt to even discuss “the bed being undefiled” and what THAT means! And by the way, this pastor needs to understand scripture better (the part about Adam and Eve).
I completely agree with you. When I read that I had to just shake my head. They were not ashamed because they were in right standing with God. He is not married, doing this in the church, and I was thinking to myself…were there children in the church while he had the couples making out? It’s not a bad thing for a child to see his/her mother and father show love to each other sometimes, but, for them to be watching some off-brand people slobbering all over each other – in the house of God no less – is absolutely inappropriate. And anyone who did not feel uncomfortable doing this is in the same boat with the pastor. Lord help him to use your word correctly and not to justify getting his fix of soft porn in Your house.
Lord, “help the church”…
Amen
Husbands love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it…but I don’t believe this is what Christ had in mind…
This is wwwaaayyy over the top! Single folk don’t even stand a chance in there! Hormones running wild and out of control. There’s no need to wonder why immorality among singles & ‘married folk’ in the church is so widespread. Won’t be long before spouse swapping is on the agenda. Fantasies are very dangerous. Not the time, not the place for husbands & wives to be “gettin’ it on”!?! Those performances need to be reserved for the marital quarters.
Amen. Coming from a single believer who had to be delivered from the spirit of lust and sexual immorality (Glory to God!), he could possibly have put a stumbling block before his people. I pray that he is convicted and repents and apologizes to them for going for shock factor rather than giving the word he is supposed to be responsible for. I just can’t help but to think about the doors he opened with that foolishness. And again I say, Lord help him.
Yea, I mean, if it was in there car in private where no single people or children around might a kiss or two would be appropriate .. But us single people, we trying to stay saved!! And we’re trying to stay single for now.. I mean, most of us are single for a reason…
Tears
People Please Ready the word for yourself!
I am Vexted for real. This stuff needs to stop. It’s getting stanger by the minute.He is a single pastor and doing this? He needs counseling. Who is on his board? Do they not see a problem. Just foolishness.
This pastor should be ashamed of himself for allowing fornication and other sexual sins in the church!!! I tell you these carnal christians do NOT fear Christ and His Wrath anymore!!!!
fornication???? didnt it say the people involved were married? what are u talking about?
This is Carnal with a captial C! This is flesh on display. As many have already said a healthy marriage is important however slobbing face down is not appropirate. All this “pastor” did was place a stumbling block for singles who are fighting their flesh and open a door for lust to run rampant in his congregation. This is a hotmess.com! I read this pastor’s profile and he says he enjoy’s R&B music so you know he is in the flesh all ready. The People need to run away from this church and learn sound doctrine. So sad. UGH!!!
Hmmm…how on earth could a single pastor be teaching about kissing and making out//?
exactly.
@Porsia good question..
THE LONGER IT GOES, THE WEIRDER IT GETS!!!
this guy is perverted!
I’m shocked! Disgusted and Appaulled. To say the least…imagine my 4 year old watching that in CHURCH??! We block his eyes for small pecks on movies wat would be goin threw my 12yr olds mind…my 16 year old daughter?? We go to church to hear the word of God an draw closer to Him not to watch men n women tongue locking each other! Wonder how fast the Holy Spirit fleed from that church! Where 2 or 3 are gathered in MY name I will be there! What name were they gathered in? That was not from God an the 75 members that took part in that ORGY should be ashamed with themselves an Pray that God would have Mercy on them an forgive them! That pastor needs Divine deliverance! Seems to me he perved on wat he saw…maybe his a phydiophile because he sure is NOT a man of GOD! Shame on him!
This is a wonderful forum to address issues b/c it makes one dig deep to see what is truly believed about GOD’s word and how to live this life according to faith and not sight. We should really dig in deep here b/c many of us are watching the same displays of intimate affection on television. We are sitting in front of that screen and allowing the world to plant all manner of evil into our hearts and minds. Many of us are paying hard-earned cash to indulge at the movie theatre and see things that are contrary to the Spirit of GOD on the inside. I do not know about anyone else but my mind is like a sure-shot cannon camera and those pics can remain in my mind like a rolodex. So if we are fussing about this issue we need to check ourselves and make sure that what we decide to view on television is okay with a Holy GOD. I find it very difficult to sit and watch people getting it on on tv ( and definitely not in person) and I believe it to be a ploy of the enemy to lead us into feeding this ole flesh. Then when the time comes for us to choose between good and evil the process is tainted with filters that are soiled by the world from what we’ve allowed into our hearts and minds. We really have to choose wisely as far as what we accept to be something “good.” We have the choice to change the channel but many do not and may say it was just one or two scenes but the rest of the movie was really good. Hardly any of the movies out there are truly wholesome and without sexual scenes and nudity. So should we as true believers accept the mixing of the Holy and the profane? The lines in this so-called church are being crossed and confusion will soon settle into the hearts of the people (if not already) and soon GOD’s ways will not even be considered or tolerated and flesh will once again rule in the church. If we are not careful, nothing will be offensive to us anymore because we have accepted the lie just like the world. There are too many contaminants in the house of GOD these days and it’s time for purging to take place.
Com’mon Man!!! Now, I’m starting to truly think individuals who focus on and/or put emphasis on keeping a marriage “spicy”, “hot”, “caliente” or whatever else are just flat out LUSTFUL. When SAVED husbands and wife truly love one another as the BIBLE says husbands and wives should, then God will keep it tight! Speaking from experience… happily, married, Christian.
Am angry when I saw that people don’t respect the HOUSE of GOD.
it seems people don’t fear God at all.
It’s good to teach ur congregations to be physical affection to know how to kiss their spouses. But not to practice in God’s House. some Christians are not conscious at all, they think they’re right all time.
it sad.
Who said it is the house of God, for God won’t stay in mess!!!!!!!!!!
yep,the pastor must have enjoyed all that. why is he not married? he looks gay as well. were all the men up there while engaging in heavy petting with their wives, able to prevent getting an erection. how nice that must have been for parents with their children to witness men with erections, tongues and the look of ectasy on people’s faces? How about people there that could be suffering with sexual addictions, this must have just put them right off the edge. what about other men looking at how that wife was kissing and touching her husband-could they have been secretly lusting for her. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE-THE CHURCH IS IN A STATE OF APOSTASY. JESUS IS COMING FOR SURE. NEVER BEFORE HAS THE DEVIL BEEN SO BLATANTLY OPERATING IN THE CHURCH.
Its a real shame. The world is dying all the while.
There is a time and place for that: its called the bedroom or really anywhere in a couple’s house or car or wherever, away from little kid’s eyes. DISGUSTING MAN!!!
Amen, amen, and amen!!!!! I could not have expressed my own thought any better. I’m glad I read down a few more comments because I was about to post the same thing. I want to say that maybe he didn’t think that “message” through completely, but, he very well could’ve. Intentionally opening the door to that spirit so he can get with one of the members that falls to it. I don’t know…I’ve been called a conspiracy theororist. And again I ask…Help him Lord.
I Think he just enjoys watching married people kissing, since he himself is not married…….
Foolishness!!!!!
I believe in public affection and showing your children that you Love your spouse, but there is a line and that Pastor and Church definitely crossed that line. Hugging and/or holding hands in public is great. A kiss is also ok but tongue action? That’s not ok in public.
Clemente Sosa
I cant imagine everyone thinking holy at an event like this…i dont like this my spirit said uh unnnn when i read it.
I’m not married but this just doesn’t seem right.. I mean don’t get me wrong I agree with the fact that married couples need to show affection and go out on dates and what not but this seems like the congregation got some free tease porn. And than give them 50$ come on why didnt he just preach on love and blessed the longest married couple?
A five-minute kissing contest? They’re making out in front of the whole congregation? Now, I am very affectionate and I’m even for public displays of affection (within limits), but wouldn’t this be better set at a marriage conference, not a normal Sunday morning worship service? Sunday morning services are for everyone’s benefit…what benefit does the congregation as a whole get out of watching couples tongue each other down for five minutes? That’s longer than some movie scenes! I’m not against the kissing contest totally, just the setting of it.
I really don’t see the big issue. Seems like every single person responded had something negative to say. Its about time we think outside the box when it comes to marriages. Kissing is just a public display of affection. We need to see more of it. DO it in church, the mall, do it everywhere. Having a contest .. its just to encourage more kissing. Its really not a bad thing, and we see worse things in the church. Its about time that we see the married couples show there affection. I am not asking for a debate but I just dont see it the way that everyone else sees it.
Make the demonstrations public so others can see that marriage is honorable!
Marvin,
It is NOT honorable to do that in GOD’S HOUSE!!!! Also, if you are a parent, why would you show imitacy or sexual tension to your children!!! The Bible makes that VERY clear about Christians are not to cause a stumbling block to sinners (Ezekiel 3:20 and Zephaniah 1:3). That means that if you and your wife are kissing in church, a sinner who may be struggling in sexual sins (fornication, lust) will think that his sins are okay with God which is NOT so!!! Overall, “thinking oustide the box” mentality you have is very carnal and is NOT in concordance of Christ and His Word. The pastor who ordanied this “flesh fest” will also be greatly judged by God (Luke 19:22, Romans 14:13, Rev. 11:18, 19:2, 20:13).
Standing Up 4 Holiness & God’s Word
Marvin you say you don’t see the error in this. You say we all have negative comments and it was just a contest. I appreciate you looking at this issue in a positive light however what does the word have to say? That is the problem with most believers, we fail to hear what God has said and is saying about a situation. I would agree it is ok to show public displays of affection even in church, however this was a foolish act, why only God and the pastor really know. Should marriage be a contest of the hottest and sexiest before the congregation which most likely was a mixed group of young and old, married and single, struggling and unsaved people and this act would then be e stumbling block for some. If the pastor who being single has nothing to do with the situation really wanted to teach or encourage the married couples he should have had a conference, summit, counsel or something to that affect strictly for them! We as believers need to focus on the word concerning all things and one thing comes to mind God does everything decently and in order, this was out of order. Pray saints, don’t just point the finger at those who have fallen, are in error or are carnal, many true believers are caught up in this mess and need to see the truth however if we don’t have the ability to discuss without constantly putting down they can’t hear us. Please mistake my statement here as one who believes we should not pass judgement as I do so frequently according to the word which tells us to judge or discern between good and evil. This again is only the beginning of the birth pains, we must be ready, read your word prayerfully and pray without ceasing about everything and remember to pray for the brethren.
This man is corrupting the word and service of God and making it carnal, woe be unto him that adds or takes away from the scripture for plagues of this book will be added. That’s a holy ghost upbringing there mate and I see through this farce!!
Man his membership must have doubled after this sermon, I mean they probably have the naked confession next lol, give thanks for the spirit of discernment lord Jesus Christ;)
there is a time and a place for everything…smh I wonder if this pastor is married…hmmmm
No at the end of the article it says that he is not yet married, but plans to next year.
LOL
he whoo whoo he he whoooooh….man I’m laughing at this one. They need to stop this comedy act in church….sad but funny…..God deliver us
Now, I can understand this in the context of a marriage conference, but not to that extent. My Apostle has had a few marriage conferences at our church and he is biblically sound in teaching on marriage and he is married so he can teach on it. He holds his wife’s hand and they hug each other and smooch which I find very cute and encouraging for singles like me. BUT this pastor must be careful and mindful in this area because he is not married. I wonder if he is secretly fornicating because intimacy is serious and he has to be careful that the spirit of lust does not creep in opening the doors to sin. And r&b music in the church? Naw dude, naw. And what $50 do these days on a date? Lord have your way.
The best couple wins $50.00. If this man cared to help black folks, lets discuss AIDS, absitnence and the death of hoes in different area codes. Im all for saving marriages but it seems to me that when individuals compete in public competitos like this, there is some hidden insecurity. Insecurity is the reason why a lot of marriages are failing, not some public kissing contest. Some of those people are competing for bragging rights and money not to have a healthy marriage. This is just too silly.
How many sermons on the mount did Jesus do encouraging spouses to display tongue kiss affection publicly? This man is being turned on by what he see,and he,s doing this in a subtil way. This makes me so angry when I see these so called pastors, doing everything other than preaching the gospel, but you can trust God they will give an account for this foolishness.
Felicia
I agree with you. There is some subtle perversion going on behind the scenes. This perversion will soon manifest itself throughout the rest of the congregation in the form of pornography or some other deviant. Even when married couples exchange vows in the midst of others I think they realize they can save the rest for the honeymoon suite. Sounds like the spirit of voyeurism to me!!!
The pastor is perverted…just as the head is perverted, so is the body. It’s become the praise of the house. Tongue kissing and heavy petting, between “married couples”, is for the bedroom, not to put on display to prove a point. I strongly believe that intimacy begins with communication and learning about one another and allowing God to fuel the flame within the marriage. I want a holy marriage that’s filled with the life of God, not this man-made doctrine that this particular pastor is promoting. It requires the Glory of God to take a marriage to the next level, not the flesh.
Nothing good will come of this, starting fires of lust among the congregants. It may start with a kissing contest but I doubt it will end there, shame on him.
I agree. Next thing you know, unmarried folk will think it okay to kiss their boyfriend or girlfriend like that in church. Smh.
I totally agree with smyrna B. on this situation. I was just talking to my boys about this situation. My children young and older don’t like it when my husband gives me a peck kiss in front of them. I hate when I’m in public places and people are locking up when you’re waiting in line to get on rides at amusement parks. It’s sad when we allow people to lead us and they aren’t telling the truth. Common sense would tell you shouldn’t do certain things in public, but I guess a lot of us lack common sense.
I understand what your saying Esther. But, I don’t think a husband giving his wife a peck is something your children should get upset over.
he needs to go and sit his carnal behind down …
o.k. its still here, so I gues its not a joke, I could say like a 1000 things why this is the spirit of FOOLISHNESS! but I won’t I will just pray for the 75 , that they run, run as fast as their legs will carry them away from the pulpit peeping tom.
Yes, they ALL should leave there real fast, because this is voyeurism at its worst and from the “so called” pastor.
LOL, THIS IS A JOKE RIGHT?? I am going to log off close my eyes, and when I come back I will fully expect this to be gone, because it has to be a joke.right!!!???
I also get where he is going with his message but at the same time he should very well know that the church is not a bedroom. We as Christians need to be mindful of our actions because the world that we condemned will look for every opportunity to condemned the church. What if for argument sake an unbeliever decided that he/she is going to sit in one of the church sessions and happen to see this church in such a behaviour (unaware of the message) and therefore had a change of mind thereafter by refusing to enter the church. What kind of seed do you think this church have sown?
If it was in the context of the service I have no problem becasue someties people need to experiences healthy marriages in the body of Christ and stop all of the faking that is why the divorce rate is high in the body because we are taught to stiffle our affections but if this was somehting done every service it would be a distraction, But the spirit behind it was right, How can the single people know a healthy marriage unless the married people in the church and not a tyler perry movie show them one
This is just wrong, really wrong. Why are people being so dumb? It’s not ignorance we are dealing with. This is plain stupidity.
What about the singles??? I don’t come to church as a single person to watch married folks slobb each other down. I’m all for love, romance, and educating married couples and future married couples on the importance of affection but I don’t think we need to have a kissing contest in the church to do so. Let everyone take it home and put what they’ve learned to action.
THIS MADE ME SICK TO MY STOMACH!!! LITERALLY AND NOT A FIGURE OF SPEECH!!! THIS GUY IS CLEARLY A FREAK AND LOOK FRUITY ON TOP OF THAT!!!
Spirit of Dumb with a dash of Crazy. There’s a time and place for everything. The house of God is not the place for couples to “Display affection”. What about the children in the building or the singles? Guess they don’t count.
This is total disrespect in the house of God,this are the kind of pastors that make the world blasphemy the name of God.He clearly did not know his bible,when Adam realize he was naked he was ashamed.Christ rebuke people gambling in God’s house and destroyed their goods.This one is not different from that,what this pastor did is encouraging misconduct and promoting lust.Married people are to honour themselves before God and live by example to the single people and the youth.Kissing passionately in public is act of adoring the mother of whore Babylon .This pastor needs deliverance and I believe he will end up marrying in lust if he thinks what he preached is right in his own eyes.Holding the truth of God in unrighteousness is blasphemy ,God have mercy on him.
Pastor Ese,
I am a married woman and would never do this in church, public or in the presence of children.
What’s left for the bedroom when you’re doing it in church…and what will the visitors of that church think?
Very inappropriate!!
I think it’s a beautiful thing when a husband and wife show affection toward one another. I don’t even seen anything wrong with a couple showing affection in public i.e. (holding hands, giving a quick hug, sharing a quick kiss on the lips/cheeks). However, I do believe that we must be careful not to over do it. The fact that this pastor had married couples of his congregation share a passionate kiss publicly in the sanctuary doesn’t sit well with me. While the pastor’s intentions may have been pure, there could have been singles in attendance that were left aroused or feeling uncomfortable. Possibly one of the kissing husband’s may have experienced his nature rise in front of the congregation? BTW, it’s not my intention for my comment to be inappropriate in anyway. I am just naming some of the negative that the situation possibly caused. There is a time/place for everything. I mean where do we draw the line people?!?!?!?!? Why are we allowing anything and everything to be done in our churches today? I believe that God rejoices when a husband and wife are intimate with one another, but I don’t think that He wants us letting loose in His house. If someone disagrees, fine. I am just giving my two cents on the issue.
Oh one other thing I would like to make mention of. The articles sites that this pastor is not married. How can a single person give married couples advice? Singles have a dreamy idea of what they think marriage is. Singles are not equipped in any way to provide guidance to a married couple.
God bless G. Craige and his staff
Nothing wrong with kissing and being affecionate with your spouse but this is a bunch of nonsense.
So true there is nothing wrong with being affectionate with your spouse. The problems with what was done is that he failed to realize that while igniting the passions of the married there may be fires started among the singles. The other thing was for the money, no one should be given money for showing affection and a local assembly none the less. God made marriage to be fun, passionate, and full of fire and we should make time for one another. This pastors heart may be sincere, he may want to help insure that marriages in Christ remain secure. Method needs a lot of work for sure and the article does not mention if you even validated he message with the scripture. Finally I hold my husbands hand in church, we sometimes hug and I have gotten a quick kiss also all done in love and taste. We really need to spend more time praying and searching the scriptures for the will of the Lord for we are in perilous times and they are going to get darker, we must maintain our light.
Although it is important to show affection to your spouse, there is a time and place for it. The church is not the place to be groping and kissing in front of people in the sanctuary of the Lord, and for money? This was very inappropriate to do. I believe this bachelor pastor was aroused at seeing people touching and kissing. This was to please himself in the perversion of his mind. Jesus is soon to come!!!
This is where my thoughts went. Maybe he’s living vicariously through the married couples, I don’t know. It seems strange to me that no one stopped this. I hope there were elders in the house that took him aside and told him how inappropriate this was. As a single person, I wouldn’t have wanted to see this. Your mind can play tricks on you if you are not truly rooted and grounded in the Word. Hopefully, there was a lot of casting down imaginations when this was all said and done.
probably not sis i’m sure once the kissing and groping contest was done then everyone had a good laugh and carried on business as usual… the sad part is that no one had enough discernment to blow the horn on this but allow such foolishness to continue as if it was no big deal… and yes you are right the mind and flesh can jump into hyperdrive when seeing stuff like this… my hubby and i display g-rated affections to each other in front of our kids but all the tounging each other down type stuff we save for the bedroom a church service is no different… Lord give you people especially your leaders wisdom!
You took the words right out of my mouth!!! Lord, help them!!!!
How disgusting this is! I am convinced this minister has some issues secretly and he is having his congregation act this out in church. I smell a closet pervert and deviant. I know this may sound extreme, but that is what I sense, strongly.
Orgies in church??!!! How vile! How could these congregants participate in this?? How can these men subject their wives to that??? I am apalled and sadened at the same time. We need to really call upon the Lord.
What in the world!?! The principle of teaching the importance of romance in marriage is right on, but to act it out in church is just plain stupid. This is just an excuse to sensationalize visual lust. And the pastor ain’t even married himself!! Really dude?
i can,t say if its right or wrong but my wife and i will do that at home maybe a little peck kiss in public but tongue kisssing all sexually in church i don.t think so the bible said the marriage bed was not defiled not the church or public places.
This is not God at all! Somebody who struggles with lust can see this and get crazy thoughts in their head from it. Epic Fail.
The pastor is a pervert, soon it will go from kissing to touching to full out orgy in the church. disgusted!
That is so ridiculous and devilish. People have been trying to introduce sex in church for a long, long time under the guise of “spicing up marriage” and now they are on that slippery slope. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit no longer has relevance for too many church folks. It’s all about entertainment instead of worship. May God have mercy on that silly pastor and his silly congregation.
for this lesson to be taught during a marriage seminar is an excelllent idea but for this pastor to do this on a sunday morning with children and teens present is not quite appropiate… i understand why he did it but special lessons for married folks especially when it comes down to sex and other areas of intimacy has a set time and place…now my hubby and i have been married for 10 yrs and if we start making out then we already know its gonna be on:)… maybe thats something that pastor didnt think about when he invited those couple to stand in front of the church and start toungeing each other down… b/c i’m sure some things started to rise!! lol
I’ve been married for 2 years and I dont think that you should be doing this for money in the house of god. Yes we should love our spouse, but there are somthings we shouldn’t be done in church physical effection is not only the one way we show that we love our spouse. And some married couple struggle with physical effection, and somtimes its because they never got it from there parents. And it could cause them to feel unfortable doing that in the privcy of there home. And when you feel uncomfortable doing it in the church its the holyghost telling you that its not right. what Kind of exsample are you setting for them as a leader. We have to keep it holy in the house. There’s nothing wrong with kiss your spouse in public outside of the church, for we have to make sure that we don’t do somethngs to cause people fall. Kissing belongs to married people a man and women,and doing something like this might cause someone to revert to there old way of thinking. We need to becarefull in this last day and hour what message are we sending to people.
ok?!?
Um WHY ARE WE DOING THIS IN THE CHURCH !?!?! … Waaaayyyyy inappropriate …
Then the pastor is a bachelor so what does he know a/b marriage and shows of affection … Once again the church feels like it has to compete w/ the world to stay relevant … WOOOWWWW …
SERIOUSLY…??? LIKE WHAT IN JESUS’ NAME? NEXT THING YOU KNOW..THE PASSION OF PAGAN WORSHIP WILL BE ENCOURAGED IN CHURCH TOO..LIKE COME ON PEOPLE OF GOD??THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE FOOLING AROUND!!!!!!!!!
Why in the world would you want to turn your affection for your spouse into a talent show or a contest?
He’s got the right idea. But you should be mindful of those that are working on being celibate. They don’t need such temptation in church of all places and if the married people are doing what they should it might turn into a porn show. It’s called the “marriage BED” for a reason. Between the husband and wife. If they are at a conference specified for married people only, then that can be considered based on the teaching but again it can only go so far. There shouldn’t be any group participation or anything. Soon it will be like other sex religions. Also, Nathan was the only one called by God as a third party in a relationship besides God (David & Bathsheba). And that was to rebuke. Keep it real, don’t be ashamed but don’t defile the marriage bed. Enjoy each other and respect others. We don’t need to show off in the process of bettering ourselves.
He’s not married but he’s telling married people how to be married???? and have fire in their marriages?
That is like listening to a 6 year old tell you how to drive and you actually listen and DO?
WOW.
Adam and Eve were not ashamed BEFORE sin entered it. This flesh WE live in TODAY is NOT perfect.
I have to wonder what effect this display HAD upon the hormone laden SINGLE folks in the congregation. REALLY!!! Was this wisdom?
I thought we came together to worship God. Not one another, OR our flesh. Sounds to me like this Pastor had a NEED!!!
So what about the people whom are not married? They sit there in lust, or want, of a relationship now. Not to mention you might make you or your spouse look really good in a sexual mannor. You might just have others wanting what you have to offer or have in your spouse… You just opened the door for another man or women to look at you or your spouse in a sexual way. The biggest issue that I see… what happen to the church to be a place of worship for God. who said you had to make out in public to keep passion anyways. If you want to teach a marriage group; i’m sure there are plenty of gyms, halls, homes for people to go too. Not’s Gods place of worship. Let God be the marriage counslor because if we are doing what we are suppose to be doing in the first place (reading the Bible, listening to God) then all of these things will come.
Spirit of the dumb
Complete and utter foolishness. A married couples bedroom habits are for just that, the bedroom not the church. This pastor is lascivious and this speaks volumes of where his mindset is, sexually oriented and perverted. Preach the gospel and stop this mess
I do believe his intentions were right but the way he carried this out was completely inappropritate. We are in church and there are actions that SHOULD NOT happen in front of the congregation for public display. He could have very well presented a challenge to the couple to do in their personal place but not in front of a bunch of people. We don’t know what happening in the minds of the people sitting there. It’s a little perverted I think. Also, this young man is not married himself , not saying he is wrong for his idea , but he has no expirience of what it’s like to be married for 13 or even 5 years. What happened was wrong I am uncomfortable for the couple who participated if they are not themselves. Kissing leads to other things and to display and encourage passionate kissing like that in is a NO-NO!!
This guy is in deep sexual misconduct. Nothing wrong with being affectionate with your husband or wife in public, I kiss my wife goodbye as we are off to work or to a game OT something. This here is over the top and not necessary in regards to more passionate affection that is ONLY for the bedroom. There is no need to do it in church as a group because that’s really defining as an orgy, NASTY! I can probably ga-ron-tee this joker is watching porn! Who comes up with this stuff but someone who is stimulated by others affection in public. Kind of reminds us of Weeks and bynums debacle of an open marriage.
There’s nothing wrong with the church teaching about married love; however, it is better suited for a Bible study night instead of Sunday morning, and the demonstrations should be left for “homework.”
You know I just wish people would truly seek God with a whole heart before they begin using scripture to justify what they doing! This I do not believe is appropriate at all! What a husband and wife do in the bedroom stays there! Locking lips and making out in public I don’t believe is something God wants his people doing! The marriage bed is undefiled means you not in fornication but there are still somethings that are inappropriate in Gods eyes there! Marriage bed still needs to remain pure and free from worldly activities! So if we still have to be careful there then I know God don’t want us all in public being a stumbling block for others. This is the behavior of the world to feel its ok to do what you would in your bedroom in public, so this was definately a NO NO! People of God please allow the Lord to lead and not man cause man will lead you astray!
WHAT???????
What in the WORLD is this foolery!!!!????