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The Great Compromise
by Will Ford
Source: EX Times
On Saturday, at Whitney Houston’s funeral, I found a missing line to the song,”Tomorrow:” “Tomorrow, I’ll preach the gospel, tomorrow, for too many famous people are here, today….” Marvin Winan’s eulogy Saturday at Whitney Houston’s funeral was the most unprepared, salvation-less sermon I’ve heard in years. Of course, we trust the Holy Spirit to fill where we are lacking, but He also entrust ministers with delivering His message. As most of you know, who really know me, I normally don’t sound off on things like this, so why am I pointing this out? Its simply because, where people spend eternity, is serious business.
Yep, I got excited when they sang “Tomorrow” and thought it was a strategic set up for preaching about salvation, didn’t you? Then Marvin Winans said that God has a purpose for us before we were created, and I got kinda excited again. Next, I was
waiting for him to say more on the statement about the Muslim, who said he wished he had met Christ before he met a Christian, regarding hypocrisy in the church. But then, he started defending the prosperity message and asking who would volunteer to be poor? With millions watching, what about forgiveness of sins, the cross, or how to get saved and go to heaven? He went on a prosperity gospel defense of a rabbit trail, kept promising us he was gonna preach, and didn’t, as Serita Jakes and other folks behind him in the choir loft were fighting sleep and nodding off. He finally talked about how we can’t serve two masters, then never led people to The Master.
Marvin Winans was all over the place, and looked unprepared. For every young
minister reading this, take note: Flying by the seat of your pants, and giving hodge podgy shallow catch phrases, is not the way of the Master, nor clearly explains the way to the Master. A funeral, especially, isn’t your time to “wing it” in the pulpit. The
same anointing that falls on you when you are in the pulpit, is the same anointing that is supposed to fall on you as you study and prepare! You are to be instant, in season and out of season, and be ready to preach the gospel, and deliver it clearly. (2 Timothy 4:2)
Beloved, if you are a Christian, you and I and Marvin Winans are supposed to be ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Bondslaves of Christ, to be exact. (Luke 1:48, Colossians 4:12) If given the opportunity to share on how to get saved, (Romans 10:9), the forgiveness of sins, (1 John 1:9), Jesus and the cross, (Galatians 3:13), in front of millions of lost people watching, especially at a funeral, we MUST preach the gospel, regardless of who is there, what contracts we’ve signed, etc. As Christians, let alone ministers of the gospel, our allegiance is to the kingdom of heaven first, not to the kingdoms of this world.
With Jakes and Winans, two of the supposed best preachers the Black church has to offer, neither offered an opportunity for the lost to get saved. Think of it: These men had the biggest platform Saturday, they may ever have, with millions watching, worldwide, and some of the most influential people in the world in the audience, yet, they took that opportunity to entertain and trifle with their souls, and never offered them eternal life.
I was touched, and I’m sure others were, throughout the service, and my wife and I wept at different times throughout. My concern is that at the end of this funeral, or any funeral, the preacher at the end is considered the main speaker. That person is supposed to share the gospel at the funeral and explain how to get to heaven, salvation, the cross, etc. I wasn’t expecting a harsh “turn or burn” message, but at some point, I was expecting him, (as any preacher who was watching was expecting), to offer a simple mention of how to get to heaven and explain the free gift of salvation, so people can see their saved loved ones again in eternity.
I was actually looking forward to him preaching at the end, and thought that he was setting it up well with the song, “Tomorrow.” Then he mentioned that he was preaching another sermon, tomorrow, and didn’t explain the gospel, today. I wasn’t expecting him to hold folks hostage by preaching forever, nor preach hellfire and brimstone. But neither did I expect to hear him defend prosperity teaching, in the middle of a funeral eulogy. Neither did I expect him to mention Ghandi’s reason for not being a Christian, without clarifying or following up. I was even looking beyond these distractions in his message, because I thought he was about to, in a respectful and eloquent way, because he is a good speaker, take 5 of his 20 or 30 minutes and explain the plan of salvation. Millions of lost people were watching. I was thankful for all the kind remarks, songs, etc. before this moment. But at the end of a funeral, when the main preacher speaks, he must share the gospel. At the risk of sounding critical, I say that it is critical and vitally important, at a funeral especially, to share with the lost how to get to heaven.
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As a matter of fact, most Christian funeral services, the kind remarks, remembrances and validations of the deceased’s faith, are used by the main speaker at the end of the service, to explain how to get to heaven. For most churches, the eulogy is the focal point of the entire service, for the plan of salvation is normally shared. It is considered the most important part of the service, because emotions are high, and in their minds, many are wondering, “Where will I spend eternity? What must I do to be saved?” The greatest comfort the lost can know, at that moment in a funeral, is that through Christ, they can spend eternity in heaven.
Cece Winans sang, “Don’t Cry For Me,” and I wasn’t crying for her or Whitney, at the end of her brother’s message. I was crying for the millions of lost souls who were robbed of the opportunity to secure their place in heaven, to see their saved loved ones again.

The plot synopsis taken from IMDB: "A girl group experiences turmoil after one of their members turns to drugs and another achieves their desired fame all by herself." Bishop T.D. Jakes hired Whitney Houston to play in the upcoming remake of this film?!?!?
I wept because once again, TD Jakes and Marvin Winans chose to operate as business as usual, and didn’t consider the eternal fate of those before them. What good are our movies about “Sparkle,” if we don’t shine like stars in the midst of dark times, and lead a crooked and perverse generation to Jesus? (Phillipians 2:15-16) What good are our songs about tomorrow, if we don’t explain the plan of salvation, today? (2 Corinthians 6:2) For me, the ending of his message, was as tragic as the end of Whitney Houston’s life: It too, was cut short. I wept at the end of his message, because at this funeral, the lamb of God was robbed of the reward of His suffering.
Rom. 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
John 3:16 ¶ “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
Rom. 10:8-14: “But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart” — that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved;
for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call upon Him;
for “WHOEVER WILL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?”
1Cor. 9:16 “For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel.”
2Cor. 6:2 “for He says, ‘AT THE ACCEPTABLE TIME I LISTENED TO YOU, AND ON THE DAY OF SALVATION I HELPED YOU’; behold, now is “THE ACCEPTABLE TIME,” behold, now is “THE DAY OF SALVATION.”
Until the Lamb of God receives the reward of His suffering,
Will Ford
Where Will You Spend Eternity?
Maybe you saw Whitney Houston’s funeral, and you left with questions about what will happen to you, when your life is over. Or maybe this blog provoked questions about where you will spend eternity. Regardless of the reasons that led you to this website, if you want to know the plan of salvation, and don’t know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, I have good news for you: God loves you! (Romans 5:8) He loves you so much, that He’d rather die, than spend eternity without you. (Hebrews 12:2) Though your sins have separated you from God, you can change your mind about the direction you are heading in life, and receive God’s forgiveness today. (Ephesians 1:7, Acts 2:38; 3:19) You are no different than anyone else, because all have fallen short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23)
The truth is that the wages of sin is eternal death in hell, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ in heaven. (Romans 6:23) When Jesus died upon the cross, he died for all your sins and took your penalty for sin, (eternal death and separation from God), upon Himself. (1Peter 2:24) All you have to do, to have eternal life, is receive by faith what Christ did on the cross, as payment for all of your sins, for salvation is a gift, and you cannot earn this gift, but must receive it by faith. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Christian loved ones, who have escaped the eternal flames of hell, are in heaven, waiting for you. (Hebrews 12:1) More importantly, when you die and leave this earth as a Christian, your Heavenly Father, will be waiting to embrace you, and will wipe away every tear from your eyes, of the regret, shame and pain of this life. (Revelation 7:17, 21:4) And you and your saved loved ones will abide in the household of faith with other believers and Father God, forever, in heaven. (Revelation 22:5).
Just say this prayer to receive eternal life:
Jesus, I confess that I am a sinner, and that my sins have separated me from fellowship with You. I receive Your death on the cross as payment for my sins, and by faith, I receive Your forgiveness for all my sins and mistakes in my life. I receive by faith, eternal life with You. Jesus, I believe that you died upon the cross, and rose from the grave, and now sit at the right hand of the Father. Thank You for saving me from hell! Thank you for eternal life in heaven. Fill me with Your Holy Spirit to empower me to live the Christian life. Place me in healthy church to be discipled, and give me Christian brothers and sisters to walk with. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.





April 23, 2013 at 1:18 AM |
God bless you real good. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe in the power of His ressurection. Halleluyah!
April 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM |
TD Jakes was never allowed to preach to Oprah’s audience on her Oprah Show in Chicago while at at the height of her fame and fortune. Now she has Jakes on her Own Network while her ratings are low.
. If you want to taught about compromising the Gospel TD Jakes was on OWN preaching to Oprah’s audience about Purpose.
Bishop Jakes pray tell us how you preach on Purpose while leaving Jesus out of your seminar and only mentioning the word God in generic terms a couple of times to Oprah’s audience like it was nothing more than a secular motivitional seminar? Boooo to that display of compromising.
Judas sold Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver. Did you do the same just for friendship with new age guru Oprah who made no secret in the past that she believed all roads and religions leads to God?
Was Oprah using Jakes, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen to boost her poor ratings because all these Pastors have mega-churches and she desperately needs viewers now?
.Her conservative middle-class, white, middle aged female viewers have abandoned her because of her support of President Obama so she is desperate enough to now embrace Christian Pastors. Something she did not do much of on her Oprah show, as in giving them a forum to teach! But she made Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, Rachel Ray new ager Iyanla Vanzant rich and famous among the secular crowd.
James 4:4
. You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
Luke 9:26
For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
January 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM |
Christ coming is seriously at hand
January 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM |
Man, what you just spoke about was the hardcore TRUTH. Most of these Christian celerbrity artists and preachers they dont care about reaching souls or about preaching the Gospel, all they care about is their money, fame and winning the approval of man. We are living in the last days and the true Gospel message must be preached but yet its not being preached. These Christian celerbrites WILL be held accountable by God on Judgement Dayso they better get it right TODAY and preach the Gospel TODAY
December 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM |
Obviously neither Winans nor Jakes were interested in the salvation of lost souls. They were more caught up in the moment of fame and stardom and probably bidding farewell to their dearly departed friend Whitney. I was left feeling confused but after reading this article I realize that I wasn’t the only one. Where in the Bible can the sinner’s prayer be found? And where does it says that by saying this prayer one soul’s will be saved from sin and they will inherit eternal life? Who came up with this sinner’s prayer?
August 26, 2012 at 9:17 AM |
T. D. Jakes, stop preaching the gospel for financial gain and fame. The gospel is not for show and celebration. The gospel is the power of God to save souls from satan and hell. Go back to your first love and repent from your backslidding. Stop craving for the applause and approval of people. Become God conscious. You are accountable to God, not man. Start loving God. Love not the world. The world will pass away. Only what you do for God out of a right motive and pure heart will last. Start preaching a holy, uncorrupted gospel.
August 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM |
Stop smoking cigarettes. Stop drinking alcohol. Do not get addicted to drugs. Leave prostitution, sexual immorality, fornication and adultery. Stop partying and night clubbing. They weaken spiritual growth and development. Stop telling lies. Stop commiting abortion. Stop homosexuality and lesbianism. Stop stealing. Abandon armed robbery. Hell is real.
August 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM |
You are absolutely correct..I agreed with everything in your article/post. I am hoping Whitney gave her heart to Christ before she passed. As for Marvin Winans and T.D. Jakes, they are in it for the fame. They are surrounded by celebrities, money, and excess. I dont think for one moment they would give it up for anything. They get “ashamed” of the Gospel of Christ when they are on a national platform. They are afraid of offending anyone and losing money. I am of fan of Marvin Winans singing. However, I would love to hear about him giving money to the poor and really helping the downtrodden.
August 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM |
I appeal to folks to stop idolizing hollywood stars and famous people. Let Jesus christ become your lord and personal saviour. Give your heart and life to Jesus christ and have a change of heart. Religion cannot save you from hell. Only Jesus christ can save your precious soul from eternal damnation. There is a heaven to gain and a hell to loose. Come to Jesus christ. Jesus will deliver you from the power of addiction to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, sinful lifestyle. Join a good bible believing church where you can grow spiritually. Read the bible everyday. Pray to God for revelation. God will help you.
August 15, 2012 at 4:10 AM |
Whitney houston is dead and in hell. Whitney houston will now face the judgement throne of God to give account of her life on earth. Life is short, temporal and fleeting. Only what is done to the glory of God will last. If you are still alive, repent from your evil, wicked ways and turn to Jesus christ, the saviour of your soul. Hell is real.
July 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM |
Reply: Listen to me very carefully. WHAT?!
May 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM |
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March 26, 2012 at 10:36 PM |
REPLY: Not a very spiritual people don’t really come on our site. How are you not saved but have authority to speak on these issues. Man PLease! Spare me!
March 16, 2012 at 2:59 AM |
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March 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM |
Brother, we must not have been listening to the same message.
March 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM |
Brother, you were all over it. I thought the exact same thing, and the funny thing is that I have heard the saints saying that Winans gave the gospel at that funeral. I kept thinking, what were you watching? First of all, I had to repent for even watching that funeral on tv, as I believe all of us should, but then to think that he did a good enough job of witnessing to the lost is astounding.
March 5, 2012 at 1:22 AM |
I applaude you, my brother for your holy boldness!
Monica C. Holland
March 5, 2012 at 1:14 AM |
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March 6, 2012 at 2:11 AM |
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March 3, 2012 at 12:37 PM |
I really appreciate bro. ford bringing this into light I wanted to know if anyone noticed a few things that I did see on there. There was a video on cnn with the pope and it had the catholic bishops introducing 22 new popes and they wearing the exact same garb that marvin winans had on during the service, also did anyone notice tyler perry alter ego of madea pour out in the middle of his speech also at the very end when the pallbearers lifted whitney houston’s casket into the air and carried her out of the church with their hands crossed it took me back to the funeral of aaliyah they did the exact same thing and that makes me wonder a little bit but all in all I really pray that whitney made it right with the lord before she left. And once again bro. ford thanks for the post.
March 2, 2012 at 6:08 AM |
I appreciate you posting this blog because you said what many of us unashamed believers thought. I honestly tuned in to the funeral service just to hear what message Pastor Winans would preach. As you have already noted, there were TOO many lost souls @ the funeral or watching from all over the world. This was the time to talk about where we will spend eternity- and how to make sure your soul is right with the Lord b/c tomorrow isn’t promised. As much as I have respected Pastor Winans, I am very saddened and hurt that salvation was offered to the millions that need it. What we can do is just pray for those in leadership that they will be completely led by the Holy Spirit when given a platform- no matter how large or small. We must spread the truth that “you must be born again”!
March 2, 2012 at 6:18 AM |
I meant “I am very saddened and hurt that salvation WASN’T offered to the millions that need it”.
May 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM |
I thought what an opportunity to give the call of salvation to millions watching and thousands who were there. I recently listened to a song by the winans millions didn,t make.it .but I was one of the ones who did? Imagine
Jesus our Savior saying nothing to Pastor Winans but only playing that song when it,s time for him to give an account. Jesus Blood Contract Transcends far more than any Record Contract anyone could ever have. Wow . SMH. I’m just going to Pray For Them.
March 1, 2012 at 1:17 AM |
Very well said my brother! Very well said.
February 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM |
This is great stuff Will…
February 29, 2012 at 10:00 AM |
You got it right, Pastor. It is a crying shame that. Such an opportunity was missed by two frontline preachers but then we all ought to realise that the mystery of iniquity is strongly at work in the world as well as IN THE CHURCH! In these end times, we must all be wary of ‘ superstar Christianity’ that has gripped the church world. You must strive to know the word of God for yourself and take your eyes of the likes of Jakes , Warren, Eddie Long and the rest of them. These are perillous times, hard to deal with! Please walk circumspectly y’all! And look to JESUS alone, the author and finisher of your faith! MARANATHA!!!!
February 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM |
Maranatha indeed!
March 1, 2012 at 12:12 AM |
Is the gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul preached, about where we go when we die? Romans says the gospel he preached was that Jesus suffered, died, was buried, rose and ascended that we may be reconciled to the Father. Genesis tells us the consequence of Adam and Eve’s fall was death, not eternal torment in hell. God bless you all.
REPLY: First you come on here introducing the doctrine of devils that there is no hell (from looking at your website). Then you try to plug your website in the process to try and lead others away from the faith is where I draw the line and hand you an open rebuke. You are taking scriptures out of context and giving inclusion a makeover. With in the context of “ALL THINGS”. The bible is referring to some of ALL SORTS. So by your doctrine you are saying that the devil can be redeemed. That doctrine is 100% false and tries to exalt itself against the knowledge of God.
February 28, 2012 at 1:08 AM |
Miss Belinda, keep it real. Those Pastors TD Jake and Marvin Winans are not only accountable to God but other Pastors who are influential and call themselves Pastors. The man who wrote the blog I believe is a Minister!! I love Winans and I had brought TD Jake tapes but it vex me a little that he was making references about Christ and would not say the name of Jesus. For me who is a Christians knew what he met when he said “love stoled the keys from death” but to the unbeliever it would had been impacted if they knew that Jesus overcame death. Love to the world mean so many things. I was disappointed TD Jakes. What is more important defending the word of God or man!!! Too many congregates act like their Pastor is a celebrity. Mavin Winans did ok but something he could had left out. Also why didn’t her own Pastor from Altanta talk?
February 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM |
We look to well known preachers to do the job that everyday believers must do all of the time and that is share our faith and our love for Christ. For everyone here, when was the last time you shared your faith and won a soul to Christ? This is what I asked myself. And I assume that every message, every blog, everything you have written is correct and has no flaws. You’ve never missed the mark at anytime in your walk as a teacher. You nailed every sermon. Instead of attacking out brothers and sisters in Christ maybe we could be a part of the solution and do something extraordinary for God in our sphere of influence. To the outside world it just looks like we can’t get along and all we do is sit back and analyze if someone missed it or not. I’ve missed opportunities to reach certain people in my life and I know God is holding me accountable for that even with His grace. But what I do from here on out is important to God. Let’s take this as a way to make sure we are doing our part. TD and Pastor Winans will have to answer to God for whatever they did or did not do. And we will too.
March 6, 2012 at 5:14 PM |
in reply to Belinda’s comment,
Belinda I am not too clear as to whether you feel that the Author of the post itself (Will Ford) is being critical towrd the forementioned ministers . I know my comment is several days late. I encourge you to ask God for further insight into the assignments of others. Even though we may not agree , there are those called out to cry aloud and apare not, don’t be so quick to asume that this is merely an analysis if that iswhat you are implying. If it is not what you are implying pleas accept my apologies.
REPLY: Belinda read this as well. God Bless.
http://gcraige.blogspot.com/2011/01/margin-of-error.html
February 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM |
Now let the church say AMEN! If you can’t say AMEN, then REPENT! The Spirit of truth has showed up! Let GOD be true and every man a liar! The wise win souls! It’s not about man opinions and emotions! But the raw undivided word GOD! WAKE UP CHURCH! In JESUS matchless name!
February 27, 2012 at 5:02 AM |
All Christians knew that TD Jakes was talking about Christ in his comments. Plus why did Marvin Winans talk about prosperity?
February 27, 2012 at 4:47 AM |
Praise God that you notice this issue. I did not like how TD Jake would not refer to Jesus as Jesus but refered to him as love.
March 1, 2012 at 7:40 PM |
Santie,
“TD Jake would not refer to Jesus as Jesus but refered to him as love”, being ‘politically correct’ I guess?? Sorta like what Joel Osteen does with his messages. One main reason why I DVR’d it and haven’t watched the whole thing yet.
IT’S ABOUT JESUS CHRIST Y’ALL, AND UNTIL WE GET THAT STRAIGHT, AND ARE NOT AFRAID TO TELL FOLKS SO, THEN MANY MORE WILL BE LOST. GOD HELP YOUR PEOPLE. PRAY FOR JAKES, WINANS, AND ALL THE OTHERS TO ‘GET IT RIGHT WITH GOD/JESUS’ BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE’.
February 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM |
My favorite part about this article is how Will Ford didn’t just point out how Jakes and Winans slipped up, but he also took it upon himself to extend Christ to others afterward. That shows us that Ford’s heart is in the right place because he didn’t allow his frustration with their lack of concern for lost souls keep him from ministering to all of us, saved and unsaved. God bless!
February 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM |
Amen, Mr. Ford. You are preaching!!! I thought the same thing. I was waiting for a salvation call. When Rod Parsley preached the funeral of a teenager that died in car crash, he gave an altar call and about 500 of the boy’s friends got saved that day. Winans and Jakes missed a great opportunity. They were neutral, I believe, so they can stay in good stead with national sponsors of their shows etc. I have dealt with sponsors on Christian concerts. National sponsors like Mc*** and Cok*** say they will sponsor events like “choir-fests” but they will not give sponsorship dollars to preachers, concerts, etc that “include statements or actions to convert others to their faith”. These “preachers” want to remain politically correct so they can be popular and get paid. They are no longer motivated by Christ.
February 24, 2012 at 6:38 PM |
When I first started reading this article, I was lost I must admit. I was like he talked about Prioritzing our lives by seeking GOD’s kingdom and His Righteousness first, so I was like huh. Cause to me when he said that, I immediately equated that with accepting Jesus’ payment for my sins and Jesus as Lord and Saviour and living a life pleasing to GOD. Then it all started to make since what yall were saying for the everyday person who has spent little to no time in church or reading their Bible, they wouldn’t put that together. I was like wow, no altar call tho when I watched it. I couldn’t believe how person after person got up and said she was in Heaven, that right there is what kept me like wow I can’t believe they keep doing that. But from, jump when I first heard she had died at the age of 48, my mind immediately jumped to the Illuminati. Pastor Winans did drop the ball with some of his off the wall comments that I clearly ignored cause all I really took from what he said was prioritize. Everything else he said didn’t register I guess, cause some of the things yall pointed out, I was like oh yeah he did say that. Not telling the world in simple terms what prioritizing meant is definitely worth noting as dropping the ball. So, I got your point! Good article!
February 24, 2012 at 5:37 PM |
I too was expecting the plan of salvation and Jesus to be ministered even if an alter call was not done. I was very dissapointed. What does prosperity with money have to do with. Your soul! I thought this also wold have been platform to reach all the lost watching but was grieved. The most import thing to share is Jesus is Lord and do you know and accept Him as your Savior… Repent. And turn from your sins. I so don’t get caught up with celebrities any more but I grew up listening to Whitney and thought with all these Christian people God would have been glorified, worshipped as I have experienced at home goings . I hope she had chance to make Jesus her Lord and Savior. This whole situation has made me even more determined to reach my own family!
February 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM |
@ Pastor Kevin Shell— You are correct. I just read a report where a great number of Baptist pastors are FreeMasons. Ms. Houston belonged to a Baptist congregation. On the lectern where the guests spoke, there was a red cloth with the Masonic crown and cross on it. I immediately recognized this. It is one of the Eastern Star emblems of their Daughter of Isis (Baphomet) star as well. Also, at the entrance to the funeral home during the viewing for family/friends, there were two-12-foot Egyptian sarcophaguses on each side of the entrance doorway. You can google this info. The Masonry/Eastern Star use of the gods/goddesses of Egypt is HUGE. Especially their use of the Egyptian “Book of the dead”. Noone can tell me Whitney’s death WASN’T ritualized. By the way, did you know archaeologists recently found an Egyptian “diva” by the name of Nehmes Bastet? She was a temple singer in Pharaohs Court during Egypt’s 22nd Dynasty. The media made a big fuss over this. Next thing the world knows the “diva” known as “The Voice” is dead. Let me reiterate again, with two Egyptian sarcophaguses at her funeral preview. We all know what the coffin shown to the world during her funeral looked like. But for her actual burial, there is speculation that Whitney was to be buried in a sarcophagus. God only knows that there is so much I want to say about all of this. I hope Pastor Craige does another DVD regarding this. I know it would be very interesting. Ppl must realize that when anyone signs a contract with these record companies for fame and fortune, you take an oath to be one of BAALS musicians, and via astrology/numerology, everything about your life is charted and ritualized …all the way to the day of your death. The entertainment industry is very big on the occult. Unfortunately for Ms. Houston, noone from her “Christian” entourage, told her that you can’t straddle the fence talking about “Jesus”, and then forget that you made a covenant with death. As she signed that contract, she literally made a “deal” with the devil. None of her “Christian” friends seemed to stress this to her. I have no heaven or hell to put anyone in, however, it’s not surprising that Whitney’s life met such an acrimonious end.
February 27, 2012 at 10:26 PM |
Thanks for this revealing information—you don’t hear this kind of discussion often—especially among Christians! I appreciate this site for this kind of open forum.
March 1, 2012 at 7:58 PM |
N.B.,
I KNOW where of you speak, because my dad was a mason (until the Lord opened his eyes and heart, and showed him the way out) for a long time, and my mom was raised in the Baptist church, but I see the Lord working on her too.
I’ve heard about Isis (Baphomet) for a while now, and the Eastern Star too. Besides the Catholic Church and their pagan emblems, sadly none of this surprises me, but the BLACK CHURCH NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND CHECK THIS STUFF OUT FOR THEMSELVES TOO (Most would be shocked, as were my mom and dad, when the Lord helped me to start delving into these things, years ago).
Now that you’ve mentioned it, I’m going to find a way to check out those items at Whitney’s funeral myself, thanks for the ‘heads up’ here. Anytime we move away from the Lord to serve the devil, and give him our ‘heavenly gifts’, there’s a terrible price to pay. God help us all.
February 24, 2012 at 12:33 AM |
REPLY: How about you stay on your “ASSIGNMENT” and stay OFF this site M-KAY?
February 23, 2012 at 10:38 PM |
That was an excellent article and it truly makes me think how can I make a difference in the body of Christ. For the glory is not ours, but HIS. That’s why we must continually humble ourselves so we do not get the glory, but GOD gets all of the glory. It also saddens me because it makes me realize that a lot of people in this for themselves and this was the perfect opportunity for millions to be saved. I hope that someone who doesn’t know Christ and is reading this article will get saved. Keep up the good brother Will. GOD BLESS and much love.
February 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM |
Someone please let Pastor Winans know about Mark 10 19-24! i know someone knows him. in Regards to his comments about “God not wanting ANYONE to be broke” Here is an example where GOD Himself told this man To be broke! PROSPERITY GOSPEL IS SO FALSE AND DECEIVING PEOPLE PLEASE LET GO OF THIS GARBAGE DISTORTION OF GODS TRUTH! LIKE THEY SAY….. LET GO(of the prosperity gospel) AND LET GOD(be true and everyman that preaches this distorted prosperity gospel) BE A LIAR! Thanks again EXministries (all of you) Love you guys more than you know!
February 23, 2012 at 2:26 PM |
Someone please let Pastor Winans no about Mark 10 19-24! i know someone knows him. in Regards to his comments about “God not wanting ANYONE to be broke” Here is an example where GOD Himself told this man To be broke! PROSPERITY GOSPEL IS SO FALSE AND DECEIVING PEOPLE PLEASE LET GO OF THIS GARBAGE DISTORTION OF GODS TRUTH! LIKE THEY SAY….. LET GO(of the prosperity gospel) AND LET GOD(be true and everyman that preaches this distorted prosperity gospel) BE A LIAR! Convict with the Word of God you money seeking compromisers! Thanks EXMINISTRIES for standing strong when many wont, you have encouraged countless individuals and families by your strong stance. I love you guys more than you probably
know. God bless
February 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM |
Proverbs 17:5 Whoso mocketh the poor reproacheth his Maker
Proverbs 22:2 The rich and poor meet together: the Lord is the maker of them all.
February 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM |
I feel so sorry for Whitney and other stars because it seems some of these preachers cheat them out of the chance of receiving salvation just because these people have a lot of money and the preachers may not want to offend them. They are doing sinners a dis-service. We do need to hear the truth, all of us.
Lord help us to receive the truth when we hear it before it’s too late.
Amen!
February 22, 2012 at 4:39 PM |
certainly bro. ford writes a great article about the service that took place last saturday.I understand why so many of the believers are upset because salvation was offered, i to agree great platform to offer to the Jesus to the world , but i believe we all have our personal thoughts about the message and service, but remember to keep these people in prayer so that the will of the lord will be done if they are lost that they will come to know Jesus as their personal savior and if they are saved they will be lead to do God’s will .
REPLY: To add, God used a man (Moses) as His mouthpiece to go down and tell Pharaoh, “Let MY People Go! Where is that boldness today? Where is the power to persuade men’s hearts? Where is the HOLYGHOST?! Why has the church dubbed these men as leaders when they hide like cowards?
February 22, 2012 at 4:26 PM |
The more I read about what is taking place in the “Church world” and the so-called Christians in the lime light, the more it makes me literally sick to the pit of my stomach!!! What are these so-called preachers and lime light christians going to tell God when they see Him face to face?? They will only hear Him say, “Depart from me or get out of my face, I don’t know who you are!!” They definitely don’t know who He is either!!!
February 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM |
I hope that before Whitney Houston took her last breath, she made it right with the Lord. I did not nor did I watch that foolishness on Saturday. They made a mockery of God in that church, they disgraced the chancellor area by having the likes of R.Kelly, Kevin Costner and Tyler Perry and the likes trample the pulpit area of the church. In a real church of God they would not be allowed up there. the Spirit of God was not at that service and you can tell by the company of people that was there. Christian people let the media keep them on an emotional build up all week long [ a form of mind control] with her death, and some Christians believe that the whole time she was doing the drugs and having fun over the past 20 years she was still saved. Wake Up Church! But I have one question IS ANYBODY OUT THERE ON THE LORD’S SIDE?
February 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM |
REALLY TO SAY THAT HER FUNERAL WAS FOOLISH? THAT WAS WRONG I AGREE ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE YOU STATED BUT THAT WAS NOT RIGHT.
February 28, 2012 at 2:57 PM |
The funeral should have been at a hall or an arena, so do you think it was ok for all that worldliness in the pulpit? Does GOD approve of a man dressing up like a woman,then get up in the pulpit dressed as a man to speak to a dying world?! Are you saying it’s ok to sing worldly songs in the church congregation? It’s not foolishness to you that there wasn’t a altar call?
February 22, 2012 at 7:15 AM |
a preacher who can’t prach…will always be boring. M.W. is one of them, so i don’y kmow why anyone is surprised. disappointed, yes but he never says anything so why would he now? he likes his big honorarium though.
February 22, 2012 at 2:10 PM |
I agree with Mz Stephanie, where were the “Christians” when Whitney was fornicating and living up the drugs and drinking? Now her 18 year old daughter is also dealing with drug addiction, cocaine, according to her boyfriend. Where are the real Christians in these peoples lives. Why would a Christian celebrate the sinful life of a hollywood star? Most of these people didn’t even know this woman, except thru tv. I just pray that her daughter meet the real Jesus Christ and not a form of Him.
February 27, 2012 at 7:32 PM |
REPLY: All that writing for nothing. You have a better chance on American Idol.
February 22, 2012 at 5:41 AM |
Why is Whitney being glorified anyway. Yes she was a great singer but give me a break. Where were all the Winans and Jakes when she was going thru? Where were they then? This is where the problem lays. Why not an intervention when she was alive! My guess was they did not want to offend her but if offense will keep a person out of hell, they need to be offended. (im not putting her in hell, im just saying) They had all those big names up there and it just showed how ineffective they were. They did not even consider to have an alter call to accept Christ! That should have been taught in Pastor 101. Praise be to God that He raises ppl up and they dont have to be big names only a heart for Christ and obedience. God is looking at us now becuz He already know what time it is with the big names. We just have to rise up and get this thing done for Christ. We dont need a stage or a mic only the word of God in our mouths. We need to be uncompromising. Come on saints, we all have whitneys in our families that need to be ministered to. A soul is a soul no matter who it belongs too. Lets get on the battlefield!!
February 22, 2012 at 5:39 AM |
They may as well have let R Kelly or Madea preach! Marvin Winans was UTTERLY disappointing! To top it all off, they had what looked like FREE MASONS hoist the casket in the air and take her out of the church. That was creepy!
February 22, 2012 at 4:16 AM |
I concur with all the comments on this page….I was searching the internet for a biblical response to the funeral as well as Whitney Houston’s life. What scares me the most is that I keep asking my self where did Whitney go???? Yes, her life was what it was and a true believer could go through things like that but one has to question when things go overboard and then people jumping to say they knew her and this and that! Being brought up in the church does not entitle one to be saved or singing gospel songs. Granted, I liked her voice and really respected her but drugs and all, it brings a bad testimony to the world watching. The moment I heard she had died, my heart started pumping fast, like I was having a panic attack. And I thought, “Oh Lord” please don’t let this be true, where is she?????! I really held out for Whitney since she had something about her that could clearly be used to bring God glory but the life testimony casts doubt about the fruit of her life etc….I can’t say where she is, but I hope to God she really came to her sense before her time and biblically repented and trusted in Christ. It is a daily thing. I know it is not enough to lend lip service….it has to be shown in your life byt eh power of God’s spirit. I just pray in my heart that God has mercy on all who wtahces as well as those people at Whiteny’s funeral….indeed it really is sad…I sense a despairing spirit from the people when her song was played…I really liked Whitney but one has to pose these questions.
One thing that can be learned for us and for lost people or professing Christians is, NEVER assume your saved and even when you are examine yourself to see whether you are in the faith. Not some cultural Christianity that has traditions and cliches, but true biblical practices that line up with God’s word. I am going through such a transition in my life that I have to question everything I have done, was told and think was I really saved???? becuase if you traces these things, you may find out that you were never saved and should thank God for giving you the opportunity to biblicaaly repent and come to a saving knowledge of Christ. Oh I really hope to God Whitney repented but I am doubtful….we must pray for others celebrities, others that come to mind are people like Alicia Keys and Mariah Carey etc…
February 22, 2012 at 3:16 PM |
Yeah Bruh! my question exactly. I hoped she got it right with God before she took her last breath. Because I am around a lot of people who think that everybody who was or is rich and famous when they die is going to heaven. And that is not true.
February 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM |
exactly!
February 22, 2012 at 12:26 AM |
god is not happy about this…
February 21, 2012 at 11:54 PM |
Thank you for writing what I was feeling while watching Whitney Houston’s homegoing. What I was most sad about is, where were the preachers for each time she exited a rehab facility? How come no one talked about having her stay at their house if they were just like family? They all made it seem like Whitney was more powerful than God and wanted to do whatever she felt so they could not or did not say anything to her. Well someone should have told her the truth, that she didn’t have to leave this earth broken. There is power in being delivered from drugs (prescription, alcohol, etc). While I have not been a part of that scene, I have heard people say they have been delivered. Peace be with you as you continue to bring us the Word the best way you know how. The Truth.
February 23, 2012 at 4:14 AM |
If u research more, u will understand that musicians know the truth but they choose to serve Satan anyway for fame and money. This lady grew up singing in church and she knew Jesus was the way, truth and light.
Have u ever evangelized to succesful people? Your soul will be crushed when they reject Jesus to ur face and it beats you that they cannot accept the truth, but rather they have faith in the world and what it has to offer. They even in the end says they are not less a christian than you are but they don’t want to believe the bible. Then u will start crying out of pity and that’s when u realise the pain that Jesus suffers everyday. He watches people serving Satan but he doesn’t force us to worship him as he gave us a free will to choose.
February 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM |
First of all Marvin Winans is a homosexual who actually got kicked out of his marriage because of it. Second of all it was in extremely poor taste for him to take over the ENTIRE ceremony and make it about HIM and his brothers and sisters as opposed to paying tribute. I can’t believe the gall and the nerve that you have. What utter disrespect.
February 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM |
Not only was I hurt by but I was paying close watch on Rev Jessie Jackson not a care in the world and it saddens me that he has the same access to these high powered people but yet in still no one is preaching the word I have a problem with that like pastor craige stated the people that suppose to know about christ is because you are there. Sad for the love of money.
February 21, 2012 at 8:36 PM |
I tried to hold back my tears as I read this blog, but I could not longer. You spoke the truth of what I was feeling as Mr. Winans ended the eulogy, I too looked for the plan of salvation because of the global platform that he had. I was disappointed for those that did not hear what was needed for them, but I do know if one preacher does not deliver what is needed, God will send someone else to reach those in need of the WORD. I heart is hurting, but prayers of the righteous does avail much. SO I do pray for every viewer and every person that listen via other media avenues to be led to Christ and to hear what he has to offer so they can make a conscious decision to choose Christ.
February 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM |
I would like to say thank you my sister did not believe he mention prosperity in his sermon and i know that i heard him say it and said that this was not the place or time for him to bring this up yes he should have been preaching on how to get saved and know the true and living God many of the entertainers as well as others should have left that service saying how can i get to know this jesus so that when i leave this earth i can spend eternity with him it just sadden me to see that we can speak about prosperity but not speak on getting our soul right with the creator
February 21, 2012 at 7:44 PM |
I totally agree Will Ford how frustrating, again the ball has been dropped. The oppurtunity to share Jesus Christ as The Way The Truth and The Life to millions. What a shame!
February 21, 2012 at 6:18 PM |
REPLY: I’m upset with you writing a dumb comment thinking that it would get posted.
February 21, 2012 at 5:55 PM |
OTO: order temple orientis…. it just seems like every single time a “star” goes out (i.e. dies). the media makes them look crazy or horrible. come on people, majority of those famous people that attended the funeral were there to not say goodbye to Whitney, (though i didn’t bother watching the show) they were there because they were forced to go for “publicity” …. it’s to “show face” and “show case” themselves. Illuminati don’t care who they kill, they’ll kill any and everyone to get through their plans.
It’s just a shame that every music artist either sticks through the plan, or they get killed with this horrible rep after they die. smh.
February 21, 2012 at 5:49 PM |
Winans & jakes were jokes 4 not leading folk 2 Christ. Sad & sick. $$$$ what does it profit a man 2 gain the whole world only 2 lose his soul.
February 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM |
you summed up everything!…i dont know if its me but it was like mr. winans seemed so cocky but wasn’t saying NOTHING. just give people the TRUTH its refreshing in this world of lies. of course no one wants to be broke… duhhh!!!..I liked what he said about using the car manual and it parallel to the bible, but explaining it in the form of prosperity(flesh) instead of spiritual warfare was a cop out!…and the quote of the muslim>>good grief<<…i'm surprised his and t.d jakes feet were not hurting because they sure were dancing around the truth of SALVATION!….its sad when you cant even depend on the preacher to be straight with you and just give the hardcore TRUTH thats going to save my LIFE. but if they did that Whitney would probably still be alive, and they would not have the world wide platform to preach at her funeral. Madea even was preaching and getting amens and hand claps…WELLLLLLLLLLLLL what can you expect:(
February 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM |
This is just beautiful…the true plan of salvation. Thank you G Craig Lewis I pray millions will support this ministry in prayers and however they are directed by God to provide support. This ministry is a storehouse for the hurting and the alarm in Zion for the righteous.
February 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM |
This could have been one of the biggest moves of God around the world. Not to mention the footage is being watched daily on Youtube. You had Bishop Jakes and Marvin Winans. Where was the altar call to accept Jesus? Deliverance call? No real issues were addressed. This article really opened my eyes to how cunning the enemy really is. What was the point of bringing the whole Winans family on stage? What a waste and embarassment. If anything this ceremony brought more confusion to the world on what it really takes to be saved. If it’s not about salvation, what is the point? Everyone pimped Whitney’s death….
February 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM |
The saddest part in Whitney Houston funeral video was that Marvin Winans only preached 50% of the gospel and lost focus on the souls that were lost. So I don’t blame a person like Will for crying over that because as a pastor there is no excuse for not preaching the true gospel. All the ears in the congregation were being itched including the singers that were singing and those that were on the platform.
February 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM |
This should not come as no surprise.
February 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM |
It was very sad that the world had to see the fake church in operation. The Real Church Glorifly JESUS CHRIST in Spirit and in Truth. Most of these people who called themselves christians are not even save. They preach another Jesus, another Gospel and another spirit.
2 Corinthians 11:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Jesus said, you will know my people by their fruits. I did not see any fruits.
February 21, 2012 at 3:50 PM |
My favorite scripture is Rom 8:28-35. It keeps me grounded and focused on John 3:16, for God! so loved the world (me) , so much that he died for me, and He casted my sins into the sea of foregetfulness. And it helps me to always remember & be reminded that if I don’t stay on my face, and constantly seek His face, and His will for my life, that I can fall back into a mindset of Jer 17:9-10. Because without Jesus, and what He has done for us, we can all fall back, into the Hell that we were once delievered from.
February 21, 2012 at 3:37 PM |
What a wonderful post! My husband, Dr. Dana Carson, preaches, teaches, and demonstrates the Kingdom of God in great depth (not dominion theology – but Christ if King who can do what He wants and the people under His rule and reign must obey) and as we watched together, he was grieved as well. It was a seedless sermon and, as he says, it did not give life – it was urine (waste). Winans represents the church where God is on the outside knocking. Bless God to see there are other remnant Christians who can hear Him through raucous noise of nothingness.
February 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM |
Grace & peace! My friend attends Pastor Straker’s church, and I’ve visited when your husband was there. Great seeing you on this post…small world!
February 21, 2012 at 3:31 PM |
As I sat looking at the funeral, I asked myself…”I wonder if the Christian community understands what is going on right now? I wonder if we understand that we should be praying right now that the gospel of Jesus Christ would be delivered and salvation presented to all who were listening.” Did we really pray?
February 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM |
Very good post brother Will Ford!
February 21, 2012 at 2:57 PM |
I enjoyed this message because Winans had the perfect opportunity to save so many souls n show then the way to the father n save them. instead he did what everybody else does on TV n find way tonot offend people. or preach a feel good message. but the prayer at the end had me a little confused. Because the Bible clearly says how to be saved and that is being baptized in Jesus name Acts 2:38 not saying a prayer to guarantee eternal life.
February 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM |
Obviously you must be apostolic. Baptism is a work, a good one, but a work none the less. Anything added to the blood of Jesus as the means of salvation is an insult to God and equals another gospel which means you may not even be saved. Better think this through my apostolic sister and read that scripture in context.
February 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM |
@ Pastor Linsey…with all due respect…i have a question…Did you do “something” to receive salvation, like, say a prayer to “accept Christ as your personal savior perhaps”? Then you did “a work that added to the blood” as well. Acts 2:38 declares what things must happen for a person to be saved, therefor, I think it is you that should be rethinking your doctrine of salvation. If you discount the Acts of the apostles, you discount everything that Jesus taught as well. why? Because the apoltsles carried out the ministry of what Jesus taught…So please stop playing “Bible Olympics” and pole vaulting over the Book of Acts before you want to critcize…Thanks, but your comment was not speaking truth in love…
February 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM |
@Dave, Sorry for taking so long to respond. Why is it that by my speaking the truth, I’m not doing it in “love”? I didn’t berate the young lady or call her out of her name. I simply stated an indisputable biblical fact that any external thing added to the blood of Jesus as a means of salvation i.e., Sabbath keeping, circumcision, tithing, speaking in tongues, water Baptism, etc. is an insult to the finish work Jesus Christ at Calvary, diminishes the power of the blood and may cast a shadow of doubt on whether one is saved or not. Is it because I didn’t add, “with all due respect’ at the beginning like you did? Or, I didn’t end it with an “I love you dearly my sister” at the end. What’s up??!! My brother, I have friends who are of the Apostolic, Assembly of God, UPCI, and Jesus Only denominations whom I love and respect, so please don’t give me with this fluffy, soft sell, sentimental nonsense of “you didn’t say it in love”. Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? – Gal. 4:16. (I say this in love of course).
I am pretty certain that there is not one person commenting on this board that would disagree with the facts I just stated concerning the means of salvation. All of course except those who are either non believers or of the Apostolic/Assembly of God/UPCI/ Jesus Only or the likes that have built their denomination on one or two scriptures taken completely out of context and stretched to unimaginable lengths to try, (only to their own futility) to prove they are the only ones really saved. (There is love in what I just said.)
Before I in short tell you why Acts 2:38 cannot be the doctrine upon which the church is built, let me say this:
Most major “Pentecostal movements” came out of the Azusa Street Revival in the early 1900’s. One of which I was born into and was a part of for well over 30 years, that’s the Church of God in Christ, known to many as COGIC. As a child and young teen in the late 60’s and early 70’s, we were taught, sometimes blatantly and other times insinuated, that we were the only ones saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, and everyone else was sheep of the “other fold” that Jesus had to bring in with us – [a misinterpretation of John 10:16]. (sic) I’m sure there are some COGIC folk on this board that may be old enough to remember that type of thinking being disseminated. It didn’t take long for me to realize that was wrong and unbiblical, much like the apostolic movement teaching of Acts 2:38. Ultimately COGIC stopped thinking that way – as should those of the “apostolic movement”. [I’m still in love mode]
Now you said I’m doing “Bible Olympics” and “pole vaulting” over the Book of Acts. Well let’s sprint back and find out if what you claim can stand a little scrutiny – in love of course.
Some apostolic denominations even throw in speaking in tongues to prove you’re saved. I won’t get into that quagmire right now.
According to those of the “apostolic” persuasion, Acts 2:38 which reads as follows:
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” is the means of how to be saved.
So based on the apostolic interpretation of this passage, this is the sequence of how this should happen. No deviations, it is what is, correct? 1. Repent, 2. be baptized, 3. sins will be remitted, 4. receive the Holy Spirit. So I shouldn’t see any method different than what’s being said here. If there is a scriptural incident where this didn’t happen, I’m sure most would agree that it would at least make them question whether this a concrete scripture with which to build a denomination off of and make them search and rethink what is really essential to salvation according to the whole counsel of the word of God.
In Acts 10, we see Cornelius receiving the Holy Spirit while Peter is preaching to him and his family and THEN they are baptized. By the way, please note that no one can have their sins remitted until the Holy Spirit comes in and does so because he is the one by which salvation is brought to the soul and put into operation – see Titus 3:5-6, Eph. 5:26. So the sequence is of Acts 2:38 is scrambled and thus made void as a doctrinal cornerstone for salvation.
I have a friend that is UPCI and I posed these questions to him and I ask you as well.
1. Are you saying that prior to the arrival of your particular denomination in the 1900’s, no one was saved that didn’t get baptized in “Jesus name”? (someone actually saying that over them). By the way It actually means “in the authority of and identification with”.
2. Are you saying that no one can be saved unless there is some H20 around? ([note; I preach at a nursing home every first Sunday and baptism is not an option there]. I guess they are just up the creek as far as anyone getting save there huh??!! Is this what you and your denomination are telling people. [don’t get mad, I’m still walking in love for the brethren]
3. Are you saying that people in in these countries where there is persecution and immediate imprisonment or death if they become Christians are just hell bound because there is no dunking pool around? I suppose they will just tell the executioner, “hold on a minute, I got to go take a swim”.
When I presented these similar questions to my UPCI pastor friend, what do you think his response was?
“Well, maybe God will have mercy”. WHAT?? Maybe?? IS that what we get to base salvation on is a maybe? Maybe that’s what you all base your salvation on “a maybe” especially since you believe you can lose your salvation even after you are baptized and speak in tongues. Actually those who believe you can lose it have PROBATION not SALVATION (performance based not blood based). But then again maybe God will have mercy on you in the end and let you slide in the back door. [still speaking truth in love]
With all the writings in the gospels concerning what Jesus said about how one can be saved and in the epistles also about salvation and how it’s obtained,
Here’s a 4th question;
4. Why do you think water baptism is not stressed each time believing (trusting) in the Lord Jesus Christ is?
You would think if it is essential to salvation as you all say, it would be added every time the message of the cross appears in the sacred text. Even Paul declared in 1 Cor. 1:17-18
17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are saved it is the power of God.
Now it’s interesting to note here that he didn’t stress baptism as some essentiality here, but preaching the message of the gospel (THE CROSS) which is the power of God to save, not the cross and water!
To the lost the message of the cross as a means of salvation is foolishness. To us who are saved the message of WATER and the cross as a means of salvation is foolishness. [I’m still on the love boat].
Finally, if you’re still not quite convinced, here’s a real blatant clear declaration from the scriptures.
Eph. 4:4-6:
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Now we don’t have to be mathematician’s to understand the number of particular emphasis in this passage, ONE! The essentiality and absolute necessity of having each of these as pertaining to salvation is also understood (I hope!). [the love boat still sailing and ready to come into harbor]
Let’s save “baptism” for last. We know with concrete assurance from the entirety of scripture that there is:
1. One Body of Christ (the church) – essential to salvation [of course you may think there’s 2 Bodies, your group and then everybody else]
2. One (Holy) Spirit – essential to salvation
3. One hope (in Christ Jesus) – essential to salvation
4. One Lord – essential to salvation
5. One Faith (in Jesus Christ) – essential to salvation
6. One God and Father of all – essential to salvation
7. One Baptism – essential to salvation
The question is, which baptism is essential? Here’s 3 baptisms from the scriptures – a. the baptism of John, b. the baptism of water in the authority or name of Father, Son, Holy Spirit i.e. Jesus), c. the baptism of the Holy Spirit into Christ (the Body) Acts 1:5 cf. 1 Cor. 12:13.
Clearly the baptism of the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ would have to be the ONE essential baptism seeing that #2 places you into #1.
[you still feel the love?] I do! I also love the word and I hate false doctrine! Psalm 119:104,128.
To all my brothers and sisters: This is also why the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a separate experience from salvation as many have been led to believe, it is simultaneous with it. The filling of the Holy Spirit (different from the baptism) does not just happen once; it’s a continual event that should happen daily – Eph. 5:18. And if you are not witnessing with power and boldness as Acts 1:8 says and as they did in Acts 2 onward then you are “Pentecostal” in name only. Doesn’t matter if you can speak in every tongue on the earth and in heaven, and been “slain’ in the spirit for a year.
Well praise the Lord the “love boat” has made it to shore, it got a little shaky for a minute, but we’ve cast anchor and calling it a day.
February 28, 2012 at 5:45 PM |
Also, I did not say a ritualistic prayer when I got saved. Yet, even if one prays to the Father in something that is called the “sinners” prayer, it is simply communication to God that one is a sinner and that they are believing on Jesus Christ as their savior. Romans 10:9-10 contains a confessional, not to men first, but to God. By doing so, it is a prayer or communication to God and secondarily to the world that one is putting their trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ alone for salvation (without baptism, circumcision, keeping the sabbath, paying tithes, being good, keeping the 10 commandments, etc.). One is not saved by a prayer, but by confessing, believing and receiving what God has said and done through Jesus Christ. Nothing more-nothing less.
February 26, 2012 at 6:29 AM |
Baptism doesn’t save anyone nor does saying a prayer will. To recieve salvation is first believe in your heart that you are a sinner and confess that to God, thank God for dying on the cross for you and believe who he says he is and for shedding his blood. So basically you place your faith in him by praying to him. Then you live holy for him and do the purpose he have for you. Proof of salvation is not only believing in Jesus but we bearing good fruits like matthew said. Baptism is only a testomy and letting the world know you were once lost but now I’m born again.
February 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM |
Amen Bensy!
February 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM |
I always believed that a funeral service was the best time to preach repentance. This type of behavior is what lead to the “Do What Thall Wilt ” gospel. It’s bad enough that we live in a generation that believes we can get to heaven by our good works but when a major preacher has a chance to expose that lie and fail to do so , it’s sad.
February 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM |
Will Ford! Thank you sooo much for speaking out about this! When Pastor Winans said he was finish I felt like I had been on a roller coaster and was just dropped off before the ride stop! He blew a perfect opportunity!! I feel Jakes did what he was given to do and that was to give remarks but if you check out Jakes sermon at his church on Sunday he addressed this same issue and even mention that the opportunity was blown without saying Winans name and I do believe if Jakes was given the opportunity to give the sermon he would have taken full advantage of it… Keep speaking truth to power brother! Much Love!
February 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM |
The only singer that I felt anything for was Stevie Wonder why becuase he said when he was told that ‘Ribbon in the Sky’ was Whitney’s favorite song he asked God how am I gonna sing that song cause it not’s appropriate for God give me the words (paraphrasing)…here is a man that has respect for God and the Church….
February 22, 2012 at 12:51 AM |
Hate to disappoint you Rose, but Stevie didn’t hear nothing from God. All he did was change the words.
February 21, 2012 at 1:34 PM |
I just had to post my comment. I’ve been talking to friends about Pastor Winans sermon and I was starting to feel maybe I was wrong or crazy. I’m so glad Will Ford posted this andI agree 100%. I also feel that when Pastor Winans brought his whole family up was all about SELF- PROMOTION. He was at a funeral and not a concert. They looked confused, Carvin’s singing was off, they didn’t even know the words. It looked so bad.
February 21, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
Oh, I thank God for this post! I too, was praying while he was preaching that the Word of conviction to save souls would come through, the treated it like it was another show! I thought to myself, ok, Tomorrow, good song, the words are powerful, then…. ok time for th word, I said Lord use this man today for the souls listening around the world, it seemed like after a few minutes, or so, I really thought the call for salvation was bound to be clear, but all I heard were advertisements in between priortizing, yes we must priortize but if someone does not know Jesus, how can you jump up and do that? There was no invitation to the gospel of Christ! And also NO ALTAR CALL! What!!!!!!!!!
I see myself on an e fast more and more, reaching out to souls more and more, I can’t take this type of grieving, it is too much….It was as tragic as Whitney’s life, and her drinking, and prescription drugs, and so on, it was too much. She should have never been there….let’s pray church for our leaders and that God open a door for all us to share the gospel as Jesus is soon to come.
February 21, 2012 at 4:15 AM |
REPLY: First of all, you have some nerve trying to rebuke us thinking that your comment would be posted. You are truly DUMB!
February 21, 2012 at 4:12 AM |
It is sad to no our so call top christians leads could take down Christ for the sake of money. I am hurt and disappointed in them once again. Lord help your people to seek truth.
February 21, 2012 at 4:02 AM |
Yes I Agree as The Word of GOD says “We Are GOD’s Ambassadors & We are to Bring the Message of Reconcilliation to the Sinner (2 Corinthians 5:11-21) They Could’ve at least touched on that…We As the Body of Christ Must be concerened about the souls first & foremost & learn to Appreciate People by Presenting Salvation to them While they are Still Alive because when the Flesh Perishes there are only 2 Places whereThe Soul Will Remain Heaven or Hell, So let’s Make Sure We do Our part as a Body of Christ, Let’s Walk In Love & Be Soul Winners for The Kingdom By Our Actions & Living a Righteous Life which is Pleasing Onto GOD…….Be Blessed & Have a Wonderful Day
February 21, 2012 at 3:55 AM |
This was a great article thanks for posting!
February 21, 2012 at 3:55 AM |
thats exactly what I said, Marvin was blessed with one of the greatest platforms in the world, he had the opportunity to share Salavation to millions who will never walk in a church or who would want too… and all he comes up with is prosperity? I wasnt like Will looking for fire and brimestone but I was looking for him to bring Salvation to the for front and atleast say take a look at our sister laying instate here there is no UHAUL behind her casket, you cant take all those material things with you. Your SOUL is the most important thing in this world, let me show you how to get to heaven!
February 21, 2012 at 3:16 AM |
Like others have said earlier, many people tried to paint an as Christian as possible picture of Whitney… but whereas she very well may have loved Jesus, LIVING for Jesus is a completely different level.
February 21, 2012 at 2:52 AM |
I looked at a bit of the funeral as well. Whether Whitney made it to heaven or hell, I honestly can’t and won’t speculate, only she and Jesus knows where she is at presently.
Many here said that they wasted an opportunity to minister.
The fact of the matter is, these preachers are popular, but which one of the preachers can the unsaved trust to minister to them, when he/she is seeking GOD?
Whitney don’t even have to die , for a person like Jakes to get on CNN , and say “I have the most important message to deliver to the world, The Gospel of Christ”.
So even if they did “preach” would it be true for a one time sake? and the next time false?? or a twisted message in general?
That is the question. Why bother being surprised?? do we already not know?
I believe if we really want people to find Christ, we all have to come together and give the enemy a FIGHT. Fight, as in building a STRONG church, debunking false messages publicly and preaching the GOSPEL publicly, even if it means you tube sermons audio or video.
We are still DORMANT, everytime you watch the television, or some radio station , its something sinful or secular. A sinful lifestyle now , is a norm on television? we’ve got to change that.
My view, its not over yet , those millions can still be saved , (unless some just died) you and me , can share the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ , no one has to wait on TD FAKES or Winaans, or some missing “love story”.
If us the church come together , what power can Satan or sin or death , have over us?
Yes . None Brothers and Sisters.!
February 21, 2012 at 9:56 PM |
@Kareem…well, Goodnight, cause you done said it all! Truth…
February 21, 2012 at 2:38 AM |
i agree with mr.will ford on his message and also with together4ever1959 on the illuminati part. its sad but true that some belong to the illuminati that were there. i only caught bits of marvins speech and i didnt feel anything spritually. it was when they played whitneys song “I Will Always Love You” that i got teary-eyed. that was the perfect song at that moment. i missed t.d.jakes speech, which i didnt lose any sleep behind because i dont watch him anyways. for some good reason, yelling at the top of ur lungs and parading across a stage shaking like u r having a seizure in a bright orange suit dont get my attention at all…sorry! it just seems unreal to me when i c so-called pastors doing those type of things in front of a camera. but yea there wasnt a message of salvation at all out of the speech i caught. now we have to pray for the rest of her family to move on,especially her daughter. i saw the pics of her on the internet doing drugs b4 her mother’s passing. she said she was hurt by the pics and it wasnt what it seemed that an ex-boyfriend posted them behind her back for money. then i read that this wasnt the first drug incident on the internet of bobby kristina. its sad,scary,and hurtful to know that our youth are engaging in terrible things when parents arent paying attention. pray and put it in Gods hands! love u all thx!
February 21, 2012 at 1:46 AM |
I need a church, but it is so difficult to seek one who either celebrates world holidays under the guise of different names or they act similar to the national preachers, seeking position of power rather than preaching the true gospel. This motivates me to search harder and please pray that I find one.
I didn’t allow myself to watch the funeral besides a small excerpt of Kevin Costner’s speech. Once I learned that T.D. Jakes was involved, it was no question that a forum which should have saved souls was to be a circus. We have some time to save Bobbi Kristina and all that were in attendance but they set true ministries back.
One of the bigger issues is this so called prosperous gospel with its promise that a persons gifts can reward them with the pleasures of this world. Yet it was no secret that Whitney battled addiction. Where were all so called people of God then? What can we do to prevent another Whitney and Michael?
February 21, 2012 at 1:32 AM |
“Let the Church say Amen” to winning souls for the Kingdom! Love the song, but people are dying in their sin Mr. Winans, or have you noticed? Folks are tired of the performances, the theatrics and the grandstanding, especially in the pulpit. Mr. Winans, had yet another opportunity to preach a word of repentance and salvation and he failed again! What a shame! I hate feeling like I’m defending Jakes the snakes, but if I had to choose between his speech and the slick “prosperity” plug Winans delivered, Jakes message was way more befitting for a funeral.
I also caught where Mr. Winans mentioned that some lawyer called his office to ask if he wanted “property rights” for his eulogy speech. Really? Why would someone go through the length of asking a pastor who is to deliver the eulogy at a funeral a question like that, unless they didn’t already know this man is a fraud and an opportunist?! The only reason he even shared that bit of information was to try to paint a picture that he’s this man of integrity and standards. Nope, didn’t work. Once again, you failed Mr. Winans. I refuse to title you as “pastor.” Turn in your robe sir.
As for the overall service, it had its moments. Tyler Perry spoke an impressive word; but it all went south when Madea kept trying to break through:-/ His “alter ego” got a lil’ jealous I suppose. smh. To be honest, I enjoyed Kevin Costners reflection the most and the story he told about being a child getting caught drinking the communion juice and his feet not touching the ground due to his dad snatching him up. That was funny. Yeah, he said the “d” word when describing Whitney’s singing; but what do we expect coming from Mr. hollywood himself; he’s “of the world.” What is the Churches’ excuse?
I tell you what did annoy me: watching those folks sitting behind the pulpit with dark shades on? What was that about please? Come on people, unless you’re blind like Stevie — who was also there btw — take the shades off or don’t sit behind the pulpit. It’s disrespectful and shows little reverence for the house of God. Rev. Jessie “keep hope alive” Jackson looked like he had an attitude the whole time. Maybe he was supposed to preach and they didn’t let him. All those guys are a joke! Sorry, but I don’t have much respect for none of them.
February 21, 2012 at 3:01 AM |
Some people wear sunglasses to hide their red eyes from crying. I do know that.
February 21, 2012 at 1:09 AM |
I’m in total agreement with Will Ford. As I was watching, I kept telling my husband, ” Aint nobody saying nothing”… They had the platform, the mics, and the cameras, yet nobody said nothing!
They talk about bringing the whole world to church, yet, nobody said nothing!! Now I can only imagine Jesus weeping… I pray that everyone who reads or have read Will Fords blog never fall short of witnessing the love of Christ and His Salvation for the lost…” I wouldn’t want to be in those two supposebly preachers shoes right now”….
February 21, 2012 at 12:51 AM |
Brother Ford thank you so very much for allowing the voice of our God to speak through you. Funerals are perfect opportunities to minister the gospel of true salvation to all souls present. I am saddened by the continued stardom thing when souls are going to hell and we have the truth to set them free. Eternity is real and an eternity spent is hell is not necessary. The platform was vast, millions were watching, millions who do not know Christ and we blew it, I say we because they were representing the family of God and blew it. I hope and pray that the faithful remnant is paying attention, fasting and praying and ministering the truth of the gospel in daily living, thank you again for allowing the spirit of God to speak the vital message to his people.
February 21, 2012 at 12:33 AM |
I look back at my mother in laws funeral…how quiet, unassuming, and modest it was. Then I think about how she lived out her faith and taught me to be a Christian wife and mother. I think about her love for the Lord, and I’ m reminded that it really is not about the songs sung, how pretty the casket is, these things have their place, but real joy is your name being written in the Lambs Book of Life.
May we store up treasures in Heaven.
February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM |
Tiffany, your words are so sweet and so simple. They paint a picture of Ruth and Naomi in my head.
February 21, 2012 at 8:47 PM |
Bless you my sister. Look at the Spirit of God…the scripture and testimony I gave at her service was on Ruth and Naomi:-). To God be the glory!
Love to you dear sister.
February 22, 2012 at 10:16 PM |
So precious Tifanny. Saints like your mother in law, (or mother in love as it sounds), reminds us of all those looking over the balcony of heaven as our cloud of witnesses. Sounds like her witness had a major godly influence in your life. I pray we all can follow her example of having a simple life of devotion to Jesus, which has a lasting impact on the next generation.
February 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM |
It’s crazy because when I got to the sermon all I kept telling my wife is come on preacher quit playing………….. I honestly believe that the God spoke through Min. Ford and it is my prayer that he and EX ministries are encouraged and that they keep preaching the gospel.
February 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM |
Thank you, Minister Ford! God bless you and EX Ministries.
February 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM |
Yes! Thanks to the Brave people who are standing up for Righteousness in this day and hour.
February 20, 2012 at 11:29 PM |
i just bumped into this blog..i have an addiction too.please pray for me i want to be free.please
REPLY: Father God in the Name of Jesus I come before you humbly today thank you for grace and mercy. I lift up Laura to you on tonight. Your blood is stronger than any addiction. You shed your blood so we could be free. I pray that you break this addiction of of Laura. NOW! I thank you for working miracles. I thank you for your deliverance! in Jesus Name, Amen
Romans 6
1WHAT SHALL we say [to all this]? Are we to remain in sin in order that God’s grace (favor and mercy) may multiply and overflow?
2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?
3Are you ignorant of the fact that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4We were buried therefore with Him by the baptism into death, so that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious [power] of the Father, so we too might [habitually] live and behave in newness of life.
5For if we have become one with Him by sharing a death like His, we shall also be [one with Him in sharing] His resurrection [by a new life lived for God].
6We know that our old (unrenewed) self was nailed to the cross with Him in order that [our] body [which is the instrument] of sin might be made ineffective and inactive for evil, that we might no longer be the slaves of sin.
7For when a man dies, he is freed (loosed, delivered) from [the power of] sin [among men].
8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
9Because we know that Christ (the Anointed One), being once raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has power over Him.
10For by the death He died, He died to sin [ending His relation to it] once for all; and the life that He lives, He is living to God [in unbroken fellowship with Him].
11Even so consider yourselves also dead to sin and your relation to it broken, but alive to God [living in unbroken fellowship with Him] in Christ Jesus.
12Let not sin therefore rule as king in your mortal (short-lived, perishable) bodies, to make you yield to its cravings and be subject to its lusts and evil passions.
13Do not continue offering or yielding your bodily members [and [a]faculties] to sin as instruments (tools) of wickedness. But offer and yield yourselves to God as though you have been raised from the dead to [perpetual] life, and your bodily members [and [b]faculties] to God, presenting them as implements of righteousness.
14For sin shall not [any longer] exert dominion over you, since now you are not under Law [as slaves], but under grace [as subjects of God's favor and mercy].
15What then [are we to conclude]? Shall we sin because we live not under Law but under God’s favor and mercy? Certainly not!
16Do you not know that if you continually surrender yourselves to anyone to do his will, you are the slaves of him whom you obey, whether that be to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience which leads to righteousness (right doing and right standing with God)?
17But thank God, though you were once slaves of sin, you have become obedient with all your heart to the standard of teaching in which you were instructed and to which you were committed.
18And having been set free from sin, you have become the servants of righteousness (of conformity to the divine will in thought, purpose, and action).
19I am speaking in familiar human terms because of your natural limitations. For as you yielded your bodily members [and [c]faculties] as servants to impurity and ever increasing lawlessness, so now yield your bodily members [and [d]faculties] once for all as servants to righteousness (right being and doing) [which leads] to sanctification.
20For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
21But then what benefit (return) did you get from the things of which you are now ashamed? [None] for the end of those things is death.
22But now since you have been set free from sin and have become the slaves of God, you have your present reward in holiness and its end is eternal life.
23For the wages which sin pays is death, but the [bountiful] free gift of God is eternal life through (in union with) Jesus Christ our Lord.
February 21, 2012 at 7:51 AM |
thank you very much.i feel better i have spoken about and will stop.please keep praying for me.sometimes i stop for a while then it starts again.
February 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM |
Laura, I’m praying for you. Father, in the name of Jesus, I ask you to set Laura free from addiction. Laura says she wants to be free. Father, come into to her life and fill her with the Holy Spirit and give her the strength she needs to stand in the freedom she has asked for. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.
February 21, 2012 at 8:44 PM |
I as well will pray with you, Laura.
In the precious name of Jesus, deliver Laura from any addictions she may have for in your word you said that whoever the Son has set free is free indeed. And Jesus I declare by your word that Laura is free. I bind every obstacle that is trying to hinder her be ineffective and inoperative in the name of Jesus I pray amen!!!!
February 22, 2012 at 10:22 PM |
In Jesus name, we decree freedom from every addiction! We decree that it was for freedom that Christ set Laura free, and speak soundness of mind, the mind of Christ, and ask you Lord to break every demonic set up, shame cycle and fortress of thought that hinders her and takes her back into every cycle of despair. In Jesus name, amen.
February 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM |
From Betty in AZ: I agree with Will Ford. I would like to add: in regard to your comments in regard to Jakes and Winans being, ” two of the supposed best preachers the Black church has to offer, neither offered an opportunity for the lost to get saved”.
Who conferred that title of being the “best we have to offer” upon them/ We assume or presume or have certain exceptions from individuals because of their popularity, personality or social status in the church and the world. We elevate individuals to place God has never placed them we are disappointed in their lack of “performance//ministry”. It is high time we consult with God as to “who is the greatest among us”. I think I read in a Great Reference Manual that we should let the greatest among us begin to serve”.
February 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM |
Interesting “pulling of the coattail.” This Bible says, the greatest among is is the least among us—the servant-hearted (paraphrasing). & that’s surely who Jesus was, whatever He had to be, as the Father directed His path, to get the job done!
February 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM |
Thank you so much for such a clear and to the point message. As my family and many others this idol worship forum was no more then a show for the Illuminati organization. Many of the Christian leaders and singers are part of this demonic organization. Just watch as more will be uncovered in the months and years to come.
February 20, 2012 at 10:14 PM |
I didn’t watch the entire funeral, only bits and pieces of it. What bothered me was statements like “Whitney is in Heaven singing with the angels, etc, etc.” How would they know that? I’m not trying to judge her walk with Christ, but nobody knows what her final hour was like. Nobody knows whether or not she repented of her sins. Whitney may have read the Bible everyday, prayed everyday, attended church regularly, etc but according to Matthew 7:21: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.”
On another note, I will pray for Bobbi Kristina. I read somewhere that she has turned to drugs to cope with the loss of her mother (I’m not sure how credible the source of that information is, though). I pray that she doesn’t go down the same path as her mother.
February 20, 2012 at 10:04 PM |
All the comments on EX were good. I felt torn while watching the funeral because it lacked a repentance and salvation message for the congregation. The scriptures that Marvin Winan used always fell short of explaining the scripture in context. Or giving true hope to the lost.
I thought all the singing by celebrities was nothing more than promotional for their next upcoming tour or album. I’m sure there will be a compilation cd released of the funeral or these artists. Everyone wanted their time to shine (like who knew Whitney first, especially the Winans). Why does that matter, who knew her first, when none were instrumental in changing her life. Just my 2 cents.
February 21, 2012 at 12:09 AM |
Exactly
February 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM |
What you said made more sense J. Wesson.
February 20, 2012 at 9:27 PM |
Saints,
All is true of what Brother Will Ford has spoken.
In-Jesus-Name.
February 20, 2012 at 8:46 PM |
At my church our bishop does not preach the prosperity gospel.
Were about saving souls for the Lord Jesus Christ. We go out door to door witnessing for the Lord Jesus.
Not about building a reputation on the Lord name.
I was appalled at the men of GOD for not reaching out to the audience and people watching the program to lead them to salvation.
February 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM |
This is true,May God help the church and the leaders who have been entrusted to lead the flock,such world wide chances dont come very often,it was unnecessary to spend time bringing the whole winan family on stage when that time could have been for an alter call?
February 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM |
Excellent!
I was not surprised that the gospel was not preached. My wife and I were talking about whether he would preach the gospel or not, I told her I did not believe he would. What a shame!
I did watch in parts but found it a bit fake with everyone trying to make Whitney Houston as Christians a possible. Sadly, nothing can be done about that now, what they should have focused on those still living. But that would mean that they had to offend too many “important” people.
February 21, 2012 at 2:39 AM |
Amen too late to make in in after your last breath, and none of us knows where she is for sure, sadly many needed those men and women who sang and spoke to deliver the message of salvation. Jesus is truly the only way and although it was said that they were there for him and that they were in him, he was not invited to or present in the service, my heart is broken and angry that we pretend to be who we are not.
February 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM |
I prayed that the ministers would not use this occasion to lift themselves, but, to lift up Jesus. I knew I was being “entertained” again. But, the Lord spoke to me over 25love years ago and assured me He would raise up the “uncompromisely righteous,” i’m so tired of entertainment. Where did all these “fearful” preachers come from? I’m tired of it!
February 20, 2012 at 8:52 PM |
I watched most of the service too and this should be a wakeup call to ALL believers, including me!!! We’ve got to do better for Jesus! It’s time out for walking in the flesh and not reaching out to the unsaved! Fame and fortune isn’t worth it, the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy! Lord help us!
February 23, 2012 at 5:54 PM |
Amen Sis. Carolyn!! These compromised, flamboyant preachers have been cranked out like an assembly line, because the church at large has become silent on sin and accountability.
February 20, 2012 at 7:13 PM |
All ima say is Alicia Keys or any performer or whoever that was allowed to speak shouldn’t have been allowed on the program that wasn’t a Christian. If you guys didn’t know, Alicia Keys and Swizz Beats are not Christians due to the fact that they allowed pagan worshipper Deepak Chopra to officiate their wedding. This funeral had soooo many holes in it and I can’t believe some of the people I’ve talked to that say their Christian don’t feel passionate about Jakes and Winans offering Christ and salvation at the funeral. All people can say is its a time and place for everything. WHAT!!! SMH! Lets all pray for divine influence in Bobbi Kristina’s life.
February 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM |
One more thing as I listen to Brother Winans again, why do people continue to think that prosperity is just about money? Prosperity encapsulates one’s spiritual (First and foremost), familial, mental, emotional and financial health. There are plenty of wealthy empty people in the world and Hollyweird who are NOT prosperous by the true biblical standard. I just felt the need to add this as I listened to Brother Winans who seems to be all over the place with his sermon. Where was the call for repentance and the prayer that the Holy Spirit gives us our conviction back. It is hard to properly prioritize without repentance and conviction.
February 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM |
I completely agree! I listened to a two part segment last night on YouTube. As he began I thought he is setting this up good to deliver the gospel to people, not just celebrities, but lost souls in need of Jesus. When he started talking prosperity and “things” and God wanting us not to be broke, my heart sank! Most of the people there know what money brings….emptiness. Everybody there was gathered to see how a woman’s life could be destroyed because of the love of money, fame and the approval of man. I was so sad that those in attendance and who viewed the eulogy all over the world were left still thinking that life can just be about what one possesses and that the salvation of your soul can just be an afterthought. The gospel message went lacking, yet people applauded Kevin Kostner even after he CURSED from the pulpit. Lord, have mercy on us.
February 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM |
Amen brother Will Ford, you hit the nail on the head. I remember years ago when I was at a funeral service, and my pastor at the time preached a salvation message. Many of the deceased relatives were backsliders. That day they had to clear the casket from the front because many people ran up to the alter to get in right standing with Jesus Christ.
I don’t understand why these people go on calling themselves ministers if they do not want to do the job. I saw BeBe Winans on CNN saying that Whitney never did drugs around him, I guess that made her okay in his eyes, as long as she talked about the Lord when they saw each other she was good. Kim Burrell is another one I just can’t stand, Whitney was her sister but whenever she saw her she was doing better. Not one of these so-called Christians said “I called Whitney’s attention to what she was doing to her body and her relationship to the Lord.” Not one of them said that they asked her where she wanted to spend eternity, so so sad.
Now I am not the one to send Whitney Houston to heaven or hell, however; I am more persuaded that I want to be sure of where I am going. I don’t want to leave my family guessing or wondering if I scarcely made it in, that is too much of a burden to leave to my loved ones.
Another thing, we must be careful of what we say because the enemy hears it and will use it against you, if you mess up. Ten years ago Whitney said she saw herself retired in ten years, watching her daughter grow into a woman of God, and looking forward to grandchildren. Those years flew by quickly and she will not get to see any of those dreams come true, be careful saints.
1Peter 5:8 says it well, “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” STAY ALERT BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!!!!
February 20, 2012 at 7:18 PM |
Your last sentence was a great point IV. I saw that interview too, and we do have to be careful about what we say and our actions that follow. I learned that lesson myself over the last few years, that your words have power, for “life and death are in the power of the tongue.”
February 20, 2012 at 6:31 PM |
Yes, its very sad when we allow money, fame & fortune, along with man-made traditions to avoid reverencing salvation by Jesus Christ and the importance of correctly interpreting the word of God..We are all obligated to rightfully divide the word of truth, and if you let men’s faces scare you or their status intimidate you, then your strength is considered small to God and your honor of men in place of God, is a disgrace. WE all are held accountable for our words and actions for God is not a respector of persons…
Whitney Houston was a gifted person who started off in the church, walking with the Lord, and somehow, someway, got terribly sidetracked by the enemy, but to place her or anyone else in heaven, before the resurrection is now wise, and is unscriptural..no human being is rewarded with eternal life, to live in the New Jerusalem, in the New heaven & earth…. or condemned to be thrown into and destroyed in the lake of fire…. BEFORE God the Father’s white throne judgement and the bema seat judgement of Christ, both of which are set at God’s appointed time..All men who have ever lived on earth are earthly so they must be, RESURRECTED and we are not spirits trapped in bodies..we are flesh and blood with God’s breath of life combined..separate the two from any human being and that human being ceases to exist…we are not judged as disembodied souls …..Jesus Christ has already declared in (Rev 22:12 “And behold, I come quickly, AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME,TO GIVE EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HIS WORKS SHALL BE” )and in (John 14:3 ” If I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN AND RECIEVE YOU UNTO MYSELF, THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE ALSO”) ..notice both are Christ centered and not man centered.
So many people have good intentions, but are decieved as i once was, by the “immortal soul doctrine”..which is satanic. Satan is a liar…period..he lied to Eve..and he lied to Jesus face to face in the desert and he continues to lie to this very day!. Absolutely no man is immortal or has any part of immortality…YET…. only God. He alone has the power to create or destroy (read Luke 12:5), and in (John 3:13 declares that “no man hath ascended up to heaven, except he that came down from heaven, even the SON OF MAN who is in heaven) ONLY CHRIST HAS ASCENDED to heaven.. God is faithful and true..He will decide when to send Christ to earth for the second time..to give the gift, his gift of “everlasting life” to all who are & have been FAITHFUL to God, redeemed by His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ…at the resurrection of the just….to be resurrected , with a immortal, unperishable body..like Christ now has, who is the FIRSTFRUIT….but only when Christ RETURNS and not a moment sooner.
Its not surprising that many of those at Whitney’s funeral are still sidetracked and out right decieved..believing in gnosticm and rebirth or karma..blood sacrifice and all types of pagan secret rituals, for they don’t believe in the truth..they do not respect the bible or honor Jesus Christ or any of His teachings….that’s why they sing, and live the types of lifestyles they do now. They want their reward now, they do not want to BE STILL and KNOW that I AM is GOd…they want to be “busy bodies” and do like the devil does and roam to and from the earth…God is not mocked…whatever we sow, that is what we reap..Mr. Winans, Mr. Jakes, and any other minister that was in attendance who focused on themselves or were ambigous with their statements, all share the same obligation..they are all held accountable by God for their actions..
We must all learn from this tragedy and continue to be vigilant ,humble and prayerful to God by faith in Jesus CHRIST…..we don’t need to get mesmerized or brainwashed by fame, & fall into these same temptations that trap so many in hollywood and all over the world..seeking gratificaton of self(fame,focused on monetary gain), or false pagan worship (catholicsm, budhism, yoga, ascension masters, etc) instead of being a faithful servant to Jesus Christ, who alone is the way, the truth and the life. I urge all who have not yet, to please decide today, don’t wait for tomorrow, choose right now to give your life over to Christ..only He can save you.
February 20, 2012 at 9:04 PM |
May the LORD Bless you for your wise words of truth….everything you said is of the WORD of GOD and I concur that we must seek the face of GOD and trust in HIS LOVE. Faith is :::: obedience to GOD. There is no Faith where there is disobedience. Again I love your post and I pray the body of CHRIST pays attention to the things in the world….JESUS IS COMING SOONER THAN WE PREACH………..IN CHRIST JESUS….AC
February 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM |
God is continuing to let us see the false church emerging, but while the lukewarm become colder the Hot are getting Hotter. God has modern day Esther’s that will not back down and cower in fear of man but will declare if I perish, I perish. He has Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego’s that will declare Even if the Lord does not deliver us from the firey furnance let it be known that we did not bow down to your god.
February 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM |
Well said Brother Ford, there were quite a few things that bordered on or was just full blown idolatry in that “service.” However, I am looking into what we have accepted as the “Sinner’s prayer” and I don’t see a biblical example of anyone “receiving” Christ that way. No man has the authority to pronounce another man “saved.” A man can only give one a biblical assurance of salvation. This is why people are walking around believing they can live like hell through out their life and because they repeated some words that a man told them and that man/woman told them they were saved. Salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit and we have to remember that a tree is known by its fruit. If the gospel of Jesus is preached, there would be a true revival but for too many it is about a dollar and not souls.
February 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM |
@SeeMore..Amen!!
February 20, 2012 at 6:02 PM |
This is the saddest part of “ministry”. I remember when TD Jakes began on fire. He taught sound doctrine. And of course, he is not alone in this matter. Many others, who are high up there in the public eye, have compromised the gospel for what? They have prostituted the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And yes, the blood of those who die in their sins, under their watch, will be on their hands. Is it really worth the money, riches and fame? Is it really worth it to profit the whole world and in the end, lose your soul? Forever?
February 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM |
You so hit the nail on the head here. Just when I thought that Marvin Winans would rev up and preach the truth, he caved in and missed a grand opportunity to witness to millions! I am so disappointed. God for sure had s plsn, but many took it upon himself to sugar coat what a lot of us just knew he needed to be preaching! Oh make them all feel go with no conviction, call to repentance whatsoever.
February 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM |
I thought the same thing. it amazes met that many so-called chrisitians had seen nuthing wrong with the entire service including Marvin’s eulogy. I missed most of his sermon but from the remarks of everyone they felt like whitney was ok & she went to a better place. I thank God for his Word and it says the wages of sin is death. Earlier that mornng Shirley Ceaser had called i think CNN before the funeral begun and she stated to the anchor that the two most powerful demons are drug addiction and sexual. When she said that i told my mum I was so sick for them making thw world believe that the Holy Spirit has no power is Whitney had at true encounter with the Holy Spirit she would have been instantly set free from her addictions but unfortunatley she was not around true belivers in Jesus Christ
February 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM |
Well said, Bro. Ford!!! While watching the funeral, I saw some things that was VERY disrespectful to God and His house. One of those moments is when Kevin Costner cursed in the pulpit and the church folk was laughing at this irreverence!!!! Another disrespectful moment was Ricky Minor having the NERVE to physically describe how sexy or hot Whitney was!!! I felt that at least Mr. Winans or all the other pastors could have told or reminded them that we’re in God’s house!!! Overall, I am still saddened over the whole situation and will continue to pray for the family and especially the daughter that she too will get salvation and not fall into the same sin trap like her mother did.
February 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM |
I felt the same way too about what Kevin Costner said. And to curse in God’s house, when he claimed that he too grew up in a Baptist Church like Whitney did, but it was obvious that whatever they learned did not stay with them, if they were ever really taught anything at all!
February 21, 2012 at 7:52 PM |
Well if R Kelly was allowed to sing I guess anything goes!
February 22, 2012 at 12:54 AM |
So true!!! His performance was silly,vain, and a hot mess!!!
February 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM |
Beautifully said. I plan to print this out and give it to friends. wonderful.
February 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM |
I am in total agreement with you and the Lord dealt with my heart about Pastor Marvin Winans message that he could of presented Christ to the people, but he took a neutral stance, he could of reached millions of people had he asked if there were any who wanted to accept Christ as their personal Savior, and then lead through the sinners prayer, that would of only taken a few moments, and I’m quite sure someone would of prayed along with him and accepted Christ. And what is even sadder, Pastor Winans was on ABC Morning show with host Robin and he was skinning and grinning and under the impression he had done a good job, which is the furtherest from the truth, he definitely ,missed a great opportunity to go after lost souls, and he failed to do so. And is it me or am I the only one who noticed that it looked like T D Jakes had a diamond earring in his right ear, now you talking about bold. People of God don;t worry this year God has shown me that he is about to make a sweep, and it is going to be interesting to see what happens.
February 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM |
Thank you Will Ford.
February 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM |
I am from Whitney’s hometown and was touched to hear of her death, but I soon became tired of the media coverage. I thought when Dionne said, “They were going to have church” that’s what they meant. They fell short. My first thought was I’m surprised TD Jakes was not invited because this is his type of platform, lo and behold his name is announced! smh His wife sat emotionless, with her lips perched the entire time. Yes, it was unprepared. Did Kevin Costner say, Da@# at
the pulpit? I was waiting to hear the true Gospel of Jesus and his dual nature of the lamb and the lion, the loving and the judging Jesus,never heard it. I heard the defense of the prosperity gospel by Winans and was saddened. You have freewill and if fame is something you aspire, you can’t serve two masters. Whitney’s sister-in-law Pat kept trying to reassure Cissy that her daughter always held on to her bible and that she didn’t forget what Cissy had taught her. I think Cissy knew her daughter’s fate. To me everything was fake, star power and egos took precedence. Someone on this post mentioned Tyler Perry sounding like Madea and she’s right. R. Kelley
now that was disrespectful to have him on the pulpit! THEY SHOULD OF HAD A PRIVITE
FUNERAL BECAUSE LOST SOULS WILL BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN LIVE LIKE HELL AND GO TO HEAVEN. I knew EX-Ministries would shed light on this. I read my facebook posts on this
funeral and want to minister the truth to those proclaiming to be Christians and are still in the dark. They gave praises to those that didn’t deserve it .
February 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM |
Marvin Winans recently recounted that the last time Whitney came to his church was during the filming of “Sparkle”. During the tithes/offering portion of the service, Whitney called him over, hugged and kissed him, and then asked could she “run up on stage”. Marvin claims that he was embarrassed because people were watching and didn’t know what to think of her request, because having audience members just “run up on stage” is not the normal thing done in any church. However, since this was “Whitney Houston”, he allowed it. He then went on to say it’s “crazy moments” like that which she will be remembered for. So Whitney has spent time in the Winans church and this is all he could say? He didn’t truly care for her. He loved what was left of her MONEY and celebrity, but Whitney’s soul didn’t make a blip on the radar in comparison to the fame these “Pastors” thought they could deride from her.
February 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM |
Thank you SWC, they all loved her so much, but their own testimonies prove that they did not love her with the love of God. When you love someone with the love of God, you will sit them down and minister the truth to them, even if they don’t want to talk to you, at least you know you did the Lord’s will. Everyone wanted to be seen as Whitney’s friend, I didn’t see them hanging out with her when she needed them most. With friends as these, who needs enemies.
February 20, 2012 at 4:56 PM |
I really think we as Christians need to take some action and let Pastor Winans know how dissapointed and upset we are that he did not share the Gospel with the lost. I plan to send him an email at ministryrequests@perfecting church.org. I hope there will more that will join me.
February 20, 2012 at 6:02 PM |
Great idea!
February 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM |
i dont believe marvin winans will care what we as christians think. the winans sold God out for money, they were close friends with whitney, they knew she was on drugs, but yet and still cece was on stage singing with her (somebodys gonna say she was ministering to her also) cant do that and still be on stage with someone you know needs help. the winans are not going to change because of emails, because that would mean they would actually start preaching the gospel, and that means giving up being lifted up, and giving up some money. so ill never waste my time, but would be nice to know if you even receive response from him
February 21, 2012 at 12:11 AM |
I did email him but not have received an response yet. I still believe that it is our job as Christians to speak truth to those around us even when we feel that it will not be received. Showing the love of Christ means speaking the truth in love to the lost and even our brothers and sisters in Christ who have gone astray. I am not wasting my time because God sees and will reward me for doing his will according his Word.
February 20, 2012 at 4:53 PM |
I have some questions anyone out there please help because I did not watch the service. I did not want to. My husband was watching and I just gently advised him be careful not to get caught up in it. I felt judgmental by what I said but I could not express how I felt any better than that
The only exception I could even see to either one of these ministers “NOT”extending an invitation to salvation is if it was at the request of the family not to do so.
Was not the funeral held inside of a Christian church? And not on secular territory? A Christian collegue has also stated to me that “R Kelly” sang under the annointing. We debated on that because I disagreed and still do so after watching him on you tube. I just do not beleive an annointed singer and a gfited singer are one in the same.
February 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM |
I am in TOTAL agreence with you .. be blessed
February 20, 2012 at 7:57 PM |
@dmatt6 You are so right, how can a sexual deviant have God’s anointing? Did he publicly denounce satan lately? R Kelly is talented, I’ll give him that but he was not singing under God’s anointing. You know a man or woman of God by the profession of his or her faith and the life that is lived for God. With that said, we know that R Kelly is not living a life for the most high. Writing inspiritional songs is not living a Christian life. You should ask your Christian collegue for his scriptures to back up his or her claim.
February 20, 2012 at 4:53 PM |
My thoughts exactly!!! I was so disappointed
February 20, 2012 at 4:41 PM |
Great article!
February 20, 2012 at 4:36 PM |
Brother Will I want to thank you for writing this article. This space was an excellent opportunity to minister to the people on what we must do to be saved. There were millions of souls longing and searching for an answer to what. When you have that much influence and that type of opportunity it is imperative that you use the opportunity to reach as many as possible.
However, we do want to be scriptural sound when we have this opportunity. There is so many tradition that we have fallen into that talks about the way to salvation. This is simply addressed with one simple scripture which is in the books of Acts given by Peter and the rest of the Apostles which is Acts 2:38 You gave(the prayer to receive eternal life) in your article something that has no basis in scripture.
It is rebuking the John 3:1-8 where Jesus say we must be born of water and of Spirit as well as Matthew 28:19 where he tells his disciples to preach, teach, and baptize in the name of the Father, Son , and Holy Ghost. Which his disciples followed in the book of Acts by baptizing in Jesus name. Jesus gives the revelation in his prayer in John 17:6 that he has manifest the name of the father unto the men which he was given as well as at the end of the prayer in John 17:26. Once again I want to commend you on your article talking about authentic ministry and pray in faith that this is able to reach the masses with sound doctrine.
February 9, 2013 at 3:53 PM |
Beautifully put Daniel M !! Salvation can only be achieved in the name of Jesus starting with water baptism in his name as per Acts 2:38.
February 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM |
Thank you Minister Ford for this post. I watched most of the service, and thought about
the missed opportunity by Pastor Winans to minister to both believers and non believers in attendance, and watching around the world. As a young believer, I often find the “mix messages” given by many well know preachers and gospel artists to be deeply troubling because I know “where I would be” and “who I would be” with Jesus Christ. The funeral brought back memories of my brother’s death from drugs at the young age of 26, and recalled family members who came to Christ. I thought Pastor Winans would bring a message of salvation through Jesus Christ that would have been the “headlines” instead of Kevin Costner’s message being heralded all over the web vs. Pastor Winans being one among the other highlights, if mentioned or shown at all! I especially thought about Bobbi Kristina and how much God wants her to draw nearer to HIM, not to the things of this world for false comfort-ie. so-called friends of her mother’s, drugs, alcohol, sexual immorality, etc..
I didn’t make it through the end of Pastor Winans message because it just seemed to be a hodge podge of a message he opted for sometime during the service instead of the one originally given to him by the Holy Spirit.
I also noticed that when Pastor Winans talked about how he first met Whitney, he made the comment that he thought “her voice sounded a lot like his sister, CeCe…” My spirit felt funny about that statement. It was as if Pastor Winans was trying to plant that seed in the minds of the big music execs there for CeCe to get opportunities in the music business that whitney could no longer fulfill even when she was alive because of the damage she did to her voice with drugs and such. That “look at me, prosper me” spirit instead of “look at Christ” is so deep within many popular preachers and gospel artists that even Stevie Wonder can see it!
February 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM |
Yes, about the Cee Cee, part when Clive Davis stood up, I said to myself, he’s going to get her a contract. Because, she sounds close to Whitney. And when Marvin Winans said, that. I caught that, thank you.
February 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM |
As they used her in life, they continue to use her in death; there is a lot to be learned about the way she lived her life, the way she died and the people who claim to have known and loved her. Where is Jesus in all of this? I watched the beginning to the end and my spirit was grieved as I watched people use her funeral to showboat and to get their 5 minutes of fame The professing christians were some of the same ones with her in the dark, dark night clubs (satan’s domain), while others who profess Jesus pulled her further into the hollywood life only to further fellowship and have friendship with the world (Sparkle), then there were the ones that sing their gospel songs in order to gain fame and fortune from the world (satan’s bait) rather then allowing God to use them to draw souls to Jesus. These people who profess Jesus and claimed to be her friend also turned a blind eye to her self-destruction. It is sad that these professing christians can find God is love in the bible but they don’t come near II Coritians 5:17 – Therefore if any man be in Christ, old things are passed away, behold all things are become new. When we are a new creature in Christ Jesust, the divine power of God has taken place and it changes our way of thinking; we don’t love sin anymore, we don’t love the world and the things of the world. We no longer have the same friends for we no longer have anything in common with the unfruitful work of darkness. Why didn’t the professing christians share with her Galations 5:19-21. Yes, Jesus loves us; even while we were yet sinners. However, Christ died for us so that we could be delivered from this present evil world. Not so that we would continue in sin and trodden under foot the Son of God – Hebrew 10:29. Jesus said in Luke 8:13- “They on the rock are they which, when they hear, receivethe word with joy: and these have no root, which for a while believe and in time of temptation fall away. How do we think that we can take one scripture out of the whole counsel of God and discard all the rest! Heaven and earth will pass away but my Words shall not pass away Luke 21:33. People that called themselves her friends and professed to be christians stood by and watched her drown in sin. I am sure that many at the funeral feel that she is worth more dead then alive and they are seeking to find ways that they can prosper from her death. Little do they know that they are in the same sinking boat!
February 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM |
Preach Godschild!!! They should have gotten you to preach her funeral, those folks needed to hear this
February 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM |
Oh so true.
February 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM |
This is a call to action for all believers
this year:Live Your Faith and Share You
With The Lost.If you agree with me go
to REPLY and WRIGHT “I will”
February 20, 2012 at 4:24 PM |
I will
March 1, 2012 at 2:52 PM |
On Tue after work ..me and a friend
pick the ruff area of the community
to share our faith.Four people were
Added to the kingdom. Amen
March 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM |
Praise the Lord!!!
February 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM |
I will, with God’s help!
February 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM |
I will
February 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM |
I will.
February 20, 2012 at 8:00 PM |
Kelvin, I will share Christ with the lost. I must decrease as he increases in me. John 3:30
February 21, 2012 at 12:14 AM |
Ivross that is true for all belivers..
Let the church say Amen.
February 21, 2012 at 12:51 AM |
I will, I’m working on my immediate family.
February 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM |
Niesey praying with you for your
Fan.
February 26, 2012 at 6:48 AM |
I will and thank God I did.
February 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM |
All the concerns above are true and GODLY. But let’s stop kidding ourselves people. Church folk are the wrong ones to expect anything from….we of the Kingdom of GOD should know that pretenders are everywhere. Look at these fake christians who are merely entertaining icons who live a evil life style in private. They cant preach what they dont live…what do you expect from entertainers who love money and money is their god. How many of them told Whitney the truth? why do they entertain blatant homosexual acts among themselves, die of aids, preach money,are whoremongers, and whores….what do you the people of CHRIST expect. Whitney died of an evil GODLESS life style, excuse me …she died in sin. I pray that GOD killed her body to save her soul so she may be with the LORD forever. I cast no one in or out of hell, but lets talk the truth. If you follow TD Jakes and Marvin and others you will find that they are consistent in their lack of an approach to salvation. Marvin carried on with another woman in public, Tyler Perry?, Jessie Jackson?…..people of GOD grow up and get real. These are not our leaders…your leaders are the men and women in your own churches who teach the correct word of GOD to you daily and weekly. These others are merely “”hollywood jack leg preachers “” with no agenda towards GOD.
February 20, 2012 at 4:16 PM |
What was sad about the entire funeral was the fact that Marvin Winans said and I paraphrase, “Thank you Sissy Houston for having this funeral here.” We bought the world to the church. However, after getting them there, true the sanctuary was there, but not the church. It all seem like a minature BET celebration, because instead of letting holy ghost filled people speak about what they knew of her, it was all celebrities who can careless about spiritual matter. My heart went out to Bobby Kristina and Whitney’s mother, because if the same people who stated that they will be there to help them get through their tough time are the same ones who couldn’t pray Whitney out of her rough time, then I feel bad for Bobby Kristina. Also, Tyler Perry was quick to say, “The same grace that Kept Whitney is the same grace that carried her home.” Wow, what is really going on. Although, we are in no position to judge who went to heaven and who didn’t. First of all the word declares that God is a man that cannot lie, nor the Son of man that he shall change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19
If this is true and in fact it is, then tell me what does I Corinthian 6:9 means, Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral not idolators, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy nor the drunkards, nor the slanderers, nor the swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. I don’t know where Whitney is spending eternity and I will never make that claim, but I do know that if we die in our sin, then our souls are destined to HELL. We better quit “sugar coating” God’s word and tell people the truth. That funeral was ther perfect opportunity to usher the celebrities in the presence of the Lord of Lord and King of King, but it was also a missed opportunity too. Shame on T.D Jakes and Marvin Winans.
February 20, 2012 at 6:27 PM |
Well said.
February 20, 2012 at 8:03 PM |
Amen sister Caroline, Amen.
February 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM |
I was lookin at Marvin Winan’s expression as I suffered thru the craziness that was coming out of Tyler Perry’s mouth and interpret it as him thinking you can’t be serious. So when he started I just knew he was going to set things straight simply because in his interviews he didn’t try to make excuses he said without blinking an eye that although he was sad about her passing he was not surprised. He started off great but got to the prosperity part and I just shook my head thinking if you seek the Lord first and his righteousness you don’t/won’t have time for trying to prosper in this flesh. There was an missed opportunity and it will come back to him that he had the right audience and didn’t take advantage of it.
February 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM |
Finally, someone said it. I have been waiting, and thinking out loud and silently, ” Is it just me or is this sermon all over the place and stopping short of the Gospel”. I know fear, and cowardice and may the Lord deliver his people from the love of the world, the fear of man, and adhering to itchy ears! I pray we who are called by his name and saved by grace will be bold in proclaiming the gospel!
February 20, 2012 at 3:57 PM |
Why was there need to share the Gospel. Everyone is already saved. Sing Jesus loves me in a club then drink and dance the night away. Get up the next morning sit by the pool with your favorite drink, no Bible in sight but you are saved and going to heaven if you die the next minute. Glorify the values of this world in song with a beautiful voice. That will surely get you into heaven. Entertain the world make millions doing it and spend it on drugs and alcohol and you can still get into heaven although your demons are never conquered. So, why was there a need to give the gospel. if Whitney entered the Kingdom then there is hope for us all and no need for the Gospel because we will make it regardless.
February 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM |
Wow! My husband and I have discussed this same thing. Why are we working so hard to live Godly and to stay saved and to make heaven our hone if the ungodly can do all of this stuff and make it in? These people would have come running to Christ had Jakes and Winans let God into that service instead of making a mockery of the Gospel to the world. Such a misses opportunity! It is a pure shame…
February 20, 2012 at 7:35 PM |
Exactly Vickie and Rachel!! If we can sin all day long, not repent, not change, and still make it to heaven, then why did Jesus die on the cross for our sins?? I wish someone would ask the idiots that spoke at Houston’s funeral the other day this question and see if they can even come up with a response??
February 23, 2012 at 7:12 PM |
Correction my Sis, you are not living godly to stay saved and make heaven your home, anymore than you lived godly to get saved and make heaven your home. You live godly because you are saved and heaven is your home. I wholeheartedly agree that the impression that millions may have gotten is that “as long as I believe in God, read my bible occassionally, and say I love Jesus” I’m okay. I think these people had better read 1 John for a serious salvation check up.
Many blessings to you and your husband! Keep living for God !
February 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM |
Well said Rachel
February 20, 2012 at 10:05 PM |
My thoughts exactly Rachel. I’ve seen interviews where one minute Whitney was cursing and argumentative and the next professing her undying love for Jesus. It is our responsibility to warn those (especially ones we call our friends) who claim to be Christians that this is not Christ-like behavior and as Heb 12:14 says Without holiness no man shall see the Lord. We must tell them just because they said the sinners prayer at some point does not give them eternal security, we all know that doctrine is a lie. That being said, I do not know where Whitney is spending eternity. I certainly hope Whitney was ready to meet the Lord, even if she repented in the last minutes of her life.
February 21, 2012 at 5:05 AM |
Wow! Makes sense to me, Rachel! [On a serious note, I do see your point]. He seems to be talking all over the place in his ‘sermon’, not structured or organized. Personally, I thought Tyler Perry ‘preached’ better than he did (and I’m not a ‘fan’/follower of Tyler Perry or his movies/plays, okay?) – Maybe Marvin Winans was nervous about being the main speaker in such a large venue, after all, millions of people were watching, yet, he should have let God lead him and boldly proclaimed the Gospel of Jesus Christ, just stick to/with the Word, the Word doesn’t need any help/comedic relief/entertainment/false prosperity teaching. The Word stands on its own, amen. -
February 22, 2012 at 3:28 PM |
Tell the truth sister!
February 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM |
Jakes did everything in his power not to say “Jesus”. Winans straight up folded halfway through. It reminds me of Jonah not wanting to preach because he knew what kind of God the Lord was. They’re crazy if they think they won’t reap consequences for this.
February 20, 2012 at 3:50 PM |
Oh my goodness! I thought it was just me… unfortunately I missed a great deal of the funeral but I have to say… when I was watching I told my husband… I really want to hear Pastor Winans speak… when when I cam back home he was still speaking; so I sat down to listen intently on what he was saying… I was so hopeful that he would be preaching salvation, and was so disappointed, so disappointed. I was confused LITERALLY. I even called a family member thinking I had missed so much that there was just holes in my knowledge but nope, appreanly even as you said, he was all over the place! So disappointing!
After hearing Tyler Perry speak I thought… hmmm, why not let him do the eulogy… at least he was preaching THE WORD.
At my church we have salvation messages preached at the funerals and at EVERY homegoing people get saved… this was such a MISSED opportunity… All of those preachers up there really missed a great opportunity to save some souls.
February 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM |
you illuminated many of
my thoughts even to the point of those sitting behind the pulpit and what they looked like what a mess….
February 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM |
Not surprised at all!! It was his chance to put the devil in his place!!! I really believed he was really going some where at first, but when he said ”im done” my heart sanked, smh. I NEVER seen a funeral end that way
. Scary times we are living in….
February 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM |
Did I miss that Jesus saves part? Did anyone mention that at all?
Wow….thanks brother for sharing this.
February 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM |
@m2d, it may have been in one of the choir songs, but it definitely was not in any of the remarks or the message.
February 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM |
I thought the whole service was kind of disorganized and a little strange. From Aretha not showing up due to leg spasms and reportedly dancing at her concert later that night to Marvin Winans and his all over the place sermon. I honestly had my doubts that MW would give the message of salvation at the end. Since he and all the others never corrected their beloved friend Whitney’s erroneous idea of what it means to be truly saved. I figured they wouldn’t stand up and tell the world about salvation either. What a golden opportunity wasted.
February 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM |
The funeral was beautiful, up until Marvin Winans started about the prosperity message, did it money make Whitney happy? Why not talk about the wages of sin being death. Did this message speak to Bobbi Krisitna, who reportly went after the funeral and got high, what about Bobby Brown, who some Chrisitan folk didn’t let him sit by his own daughter? What a missed opportunity to have lifted up Jesus name in spirit and in truth, and telling the people thus said the Lord. And on a final note, what was wrong with the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s face, was he upset because he couldn’t preach “It’s Moanin time.” and show out. All this celebrity worship and pastor worship must end, for the church to preach and teach the lost.
February 20, 2012 at 6:39 PM |
So true. I must have thought that I was the only one at first who saw how Jesse Jackson so wanted the spotlight to yet again be his “religious”self. Bobbi Kristina has No role models in Christ to talk to. So sad for her. Just a bunch of flesh all around I. that service and no conviction at all.
February 23, 2012 at 7:21 PM |
@jeanene, “it’s Moanin time”! You got me on that one-got a real chuckle from that.
February 20, 2012 at 3:21 PM |
Amen and Thank You, Will! I was thinking the same thing. When they sang “Tomorrow”, I just knew the world was getting ready to be evangelized to. I waited, just as you did, to hear the Gospel message and it never came and I was disappointed. As I read Facebook posts from people saying what a great sermon it was, I was even more disappointed. It was if we had heard two different messages.
February 23, 2012 at 7:28 PM |
@Demetria, its unfortunate but the church as a whole/including the Facebook Church of Odd (not a typo) is in such a watered down, compromised state, that a true convicting, life changing, sin revealing, Christ honoring gospel message is an offense to many, many people sitting in churches to today. Its called “the offense of the cross”.
February 20, 2012 at 3:19 PM |
Thank you Minister Ford for doing what should have been done during the televised funeral service. Asking the question and offering the invitation to meet Christ was the missing component of a true church service. I watched the ‘service’ off/on and walked away disappointed. There was an opportunity to really showcase what church is supposed to be, but once again we put on a theatrical show. Preachers, Musical Artists, and Entertainers disrespecting God’s pulpit and house with secular songs, prosperity, Ricky Minor’s sexual proclamation that she looked good in a gown, Bobbi Brown making a scene (with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson all to happy to see what’s going on) because he was asked to change seats, then later on in his concert throw up the mark of the beast sign while telling his audience he loves her. i just wonder if all these influential people who were there to pay respects, really did anything to help Whitney during her struggles.
February 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM |
I must agree it was kind of a let down, more on Marvin then Jakes. Jakes did what was asked of him to do on the program. So I don’t think its fair to hold him to that, he was thinking the same thing;that the main speaker would explain or offer a call to Christ. Marvin got a lil side tracked as all preachers have done before, if you haven’t then keep preaching you will. Unfortunately, Marvin’s happened to be as millions watched. Gods grace is sufficient and everyone that was to be saved that day, I believed did, and heard what supposed to be heard and the Spirit did the drawing unto Him.
REPLY: Marvin and Jakes (THE LARGEST BISHOP IN THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST INFLUENCE) are held the most accountable. Here is how ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ are supposed to handle ministry:
2 Timothy 4:1-18
1I CHARGE [you] in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, Who is to judge the living and the dead, and by (in the light of) His coming and His kingdom:
2Herald and preach the Word! Keep your sense of urgency [stand by, be at hand and ready], whether the opportunity seems to be favorable or unfavorable. [Whether it is convenient or inconvenient, whether it is welcome or unwelcome, you as preacher of the Word are to show people in what way their lives are wrong.] And convince them, rebuking and correcting, warning and urging and encouraging them, being unflagging and inexhaustible in patience and teaching.
3For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold,
4And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions.
5As for you, be calm and cool and steady, accept and suffer unflinchingly every hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fully perform all the duties of your ministry.
6For I am already about to be sacrificed [my life is about to be poured out as a drink offering]; the time of my [spirit's] release [from the body] is at hand and I will soon go free.
7I have fought the good (worthy, honorable, and noble) fight, I have finished the race, I have kept (firmly held) the faith.
8[As to what remains] henceforth there is laid up for me the [victor's] crown of righteousness [for being right with God and doing right], which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me and recompense me on that [great] day–and not to me only, but also to all those who have loved and yearned for and welcomed His appearing (His return).
9Make every effort to come to me soon.
10For Demas has deserted me for love of this present world and has gone to Thessalonica; Crescens [has gone] to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia.
11Luke alone is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, for he is very helpful to me for the ministry.
12Tychicus I have sent to Ephesus.
13[When] you come, bring the cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus, also the books, especially the parchments.
14Alexander the coppersmith did me great wrongs. The Lord will pay him back for his actions.
15Beware of him yourself, for he opposed and resisted our message very strongly and exceedingly.
16At my first trial no one acted in my defense [as my advocate] or took my part or [even] stood with me, but all forsook me. May it not be charged against them!
17But the Lord stood by me and strengthened me, so that through me the [Gospel] message might be fully proclaimed and all the Gentiles might hear it. So I was delivered out of the jaws of the lion.
18[And indeed] the Lord will certainly deliver and [a]draw me to Himself from every assault of evil. He will preserve and bring me safe unto His heavenly kingdom. To Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen (so be it).
February 20, 2012 at 3:14 PM |
Am sad, for these preachers leading people astray.. …………
I don’t know what he was doing Ooooooooooo Winans Please God want you to
preach the msg not ur own thing.
Please Saints of God let remember Bobbi Kristina in prayers that child has gone through a lot
seeing her mother and father doing …….. bra bra I know you get me. so that girl needs our prayers Please, i have started praying for her and I want you too to do the something. God can use her to change a lot of lives.
February 20, 2012 at 2:59 PM |
I was looking for TD Jakes to say Jesus….He kept saying Love…God is Love…but I was looking out for the Jesus……
February 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM |
In Jake’s defense, he probably was only allotted a small amount of time to say something to the family. However, I think Jake’s set Marvin up wonderfully. When he was talking about death didn’t win…. then he said he was the speaker then looked at Marvin. I said to myself, “that was an awesome setup for Marvin to preach the gospel. But…..(shoulder shrug).
REPLY: Jakes has denied Christ many times over in the face of Hollywood. He always leaves space for sinners to interpret God (Love) in their own way which is one of the most dangerous things you could ever do. How much longer are people going to keep giving Jakes passes? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
February 20, 2012 at 2:54 PM |
Well said indeed & i question where all these so-called “celebrity” Christians were @ when Whitney needed help? Too busy with their own “agendas” maybe? Shame on them!! Whitney would be alive today & glorifying God with her amazingly gifted voice, instead of the world IF they had REALLY loved her & cared about her soul! Judgement Day is Coming Soon!! K.P.
February 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM |
Praise God! Noticing these things takes the spirit of discernment, my husband and I almost got into an argument because I said the EXACT same thing! After the message I said what? Are you serious? No altar call or prayer of slavation for the lost? I said Marvin was all over the place in his message and that was the ripest of times for him to offer salvation with all of those celebrities there. Especially with R. Kelly there (he should’ve just laid on the altar and NEVER entered the pulpit). My husband said I can’t condemn him and that the gospel was preached, I then said what kind of pastor are you if you have hundreds of lost people in your presence and you never offer salvation to them? Isn’t that what the gospel is about? Why preach if it’s just a feel good message and people leave inspired but not saved? Wow! Excellent article!
February 23, 2012 at 7:43 PM |
@Dee, You were right in your assessment. You didn’t condemn him, but you held him to accountability as one who is supposed to preach the gospel with clarity, power, and conviction. If we’d call some stuff out like the bible tells us to do, we wouldn’t have half the foolishness going on in the pulpits and music “ministries”. When we go to the doctor, do we want an exact diagnosis or some if, and, maybe, or misdiagnosis all together. Same thing if we went to a lawyer. If our freedom and possibly our life is on the line, we don’t want misrepresentation and unsurety. Why do we accept this crap from the people who are supposed to be watching for our souls???
February 26, 2012 at 6:42 AM |
Amen pastor! I don’t know why people are so broaden minded. That’s not condemning if you are correcting your fellow believer.
February 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM |
Will Ford, thank you for writing this piece. I tried not to watch this service, but it was as if God wanted me to see it. It reminded me of the Grammy Awards, same people, same words, very little gospel. It seemed more like a self-promotional vehicle for some of them. Alicia over sang, Tyler Perry (who regularly vomits on the Word of God as Madea) attempts at preaching. Jakes and his “love conquered death” speech, there was just so much wrong! Nothing was wrong(er) than Pastor Winans and his missed opportunity to reach souls for Christ. I believe that there were many of us whose spirits were grieved by his prosperity gospel pimping and the watered down message.
With that said, the Winans tour starts in April, they are co-headlining with Mary Mary. Nothing like free promotion!
February 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM |
I agree with all that was said and would like to pose a question: Are believers going to be held, to a certain degree, responsible for Whitney Houston’s death? My answer is yes and here’s why. Paul clearly states in 1 Co 5 the following: “I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.”
Is it not possible that if all of those believers who were friends with Whitney did what the Scripture tells us to do that she might have “come to her senses and escaped from the trap of the enemy?” I know people probably meant well, however by ignoring the counsel of God’s word she was able to delude herself into thinking that she could live as she pleased. Ultimately this is what led to her death is it not? May we all be careful to follow this counsel of 1 Co 5. It’s not easy, but I don’t want anyone’s blood on my hands because I was leaning on my own understanding of how to help a professing believer who’s life-style was a contradiction to the Word of God.
On Tyler Perry’s exposition of the grace of God all that need be said is the following, “ For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age” Titus 2:11
Blessings
February 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM |
How can unsaved celebrities minister to unsaved celebrities? It takes more than making a profession of Christ. There needs to be a life to back it up. There are many celebrities that name Christ with their lips but their hearts are far from Him, and this includes celebrity preachers. They need to know true salvation themselves before they can minister to anyone else. Did Marvin not want to offend his celebrity friends? The Word cuts and convicts and people are offended by it. If you offend your celebrity friends then you are out, there goes your money and fame. They want to live a life of ease free of any persecution, which will come when preaching the true gospel, holiness or hell. The celebrity preachers are not willing to live according to the gospel as given in the scriptures below.
You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Matt 15:7-8
Blessed are you, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. Rejoice you in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation
Luke 6:22-24
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love his own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
John 15:18-20
For the word of God is alive, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Heb 4:12-13
As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
1 Peter 1:14-16
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Heb 12:14
February 20, 2012 at 2:41 PM |
I was thinking the same thing, I actually cried after I watched it because all of those lost souls and artist who don’t know Jesus were not given the salvation message they needed! We must keep the houston family and the entertainment industry lifted up in prayer because they are in dire need of freedom whether they want it or not!
February 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM |
Will, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I hope people will receive your insights as an attempt to draw our attention to the gaps we find in contemporary sermons. For me, the first alarm was the statement by our beloved M. Winans that the message was not written or if you like ‘unprepared’. Now, politicians can speak ‘unprepared’ but not a minister of the Gospel. The shortest and or the simplest of messages should be composed and all vestiges of ‘nature’ removed therefrom. You may not read the message but having been ‘guided’ in developing same, it can be delivered with minimal reference to the written notes. I believe that Marvin would have remembered to discuss Salvation of the lost and repentance from dead works if the message was ‘prepared’. The other point is how we present Jesus to the unsaved. I am a fan of the be-saved-or-be-damned-school that presents Jesus as either the lamb (saviour) or the Lion (judge). Everything in human existence should be verified by the personality we intend to meet on the last day, to wit – Jesus Christ ‘the Lamb’ or Jesus Christ ‘the Lion’. Keep up the good work Will and may God bless you.
February 22, 2012 at 10:51 PM |
The Lion or The Lamb: Which will you stand before on Judgement Day? Great revelation Bernard.
Reminds me of that part in “The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe,” where one of the kid characters finds out that the king of Narnia is Aslan, a lion. The children, in finding out that he is lion, become afraid to meet him. “Is he fearful?” they ask. Then one of the citizens from Narnia tells them, “Yes, he is fearful, but he is good.”
Its awesome to me Bernard, that the one we should fear the most, is the one Who actually loves us the most. So much so, that he’d rather die, then spend eternity without us, which is what His death on the cross was about. Yet, He is so awesome in His judgement of the wicked, that the wicked are going to ask for rocks to fall on them, because of their fear of the wrath of the Lamb! (Rev. 6:16) Even the revelation of the Lion will be to much for these folks to handle. Powerful!
And the beauty of it all is, yes, He is fearful, but He is good!
May His goodness continue to be extended to you and your family.
Blessings Bernard
February 20, 2012 at 2:34 PM |
I THOROUGHLY agree. I bring out these points-and others-in a YT video I posted while the service was going on. I chose not to watch it..b/c I KNEW that they would do this. Smh. Its a shame and disgusting what they have made the gospel to be….”MARVIN WINANS AND OTHER PREACHERS…WHITNEY’S BLOOD IS ON UR HANDS”
February 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM |
I must agree with you W.F.,
Why? 150.000 plus people
die per day…56 million per
year and Hell is eternal
Separation from God.
February 20, 2012 at 2:22 PM |
Well Said!
February 20, 2012 at 2:22 PM |
Great post Bro. Ford!
I also cried because all those so-called believers did not minister the true gospel. It’s amazing to me that those professed christians can go around parading like everything was ok “without” mentioning the need for salvation. I was totally appalled! Marvin Winans made it the Winan show. Kim Burrell reached back into her old record collection, and Tyler Perry’s alter ego came out in his speech! Did anyone else hear Madea?! It was a total mess!
February 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM |
@Jeanne…I thought I was the only one who heard “Madea”s voice. He has switched back and forth so much that he can’t keep “alter ego” under control. I turned off the tv when I heard Kim Burrell re-write Sam Cooke’s old R&B song. How could she even think this was proper?
February 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM |
I heard that too, thought I was the only one. Tyler needs some serious deliverance.
February 20, 2012 at 8:05 PM |
That makes four of us; I heard it too, guess he just can keep Madea under wraps, can he??
February 20, 2012 at 8:23 PM |
Yep! i heard Madea’s voice several times when Tyler was talking!
February 21, 2012 at 2:29 AM |
Ok, so I didn’t watch the funeral for several reasons; most have been posted here on the blog. I was curious when I read the remarks about Tyler Perry’s alter ego “Madea” coming out during his remarks. So, I watched his remarks and sho nuff I heard Madea at least three times. It is most pronounced toward the end when he has his hand on his hip. Real talk!
February 20, 2012 at 2:14 PM |
Will Ford, this is an excellent article. I wish that you had preached the eulogy. I did not watch Whitney Houston’s funeral service but I’m not surprised that the true gospel of Jesus was not preached. How sad that is! I’m sure that the fear of death was on many, many people and that would have been a good opportunity (as you said) for Marvin Winans to give those people hope by explaining how Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice for lost sinners.
February 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM |
Whitney brought †ђξ world to church on saturday, but too sad, they couldn’t be led to Christ! Maximize every given opportunity to share Christ. Run things and make it count!!!
February 20, 2012 at 2:05 PM |
thank you
February 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM |
Let me guess jakes and winans “defied” God and also put Houston in Heaven?
February 20, 2012 at 1:58 PM |
Its sooo incredibly sad! I was weeping for the same reason. SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY!! Crash and Burn. My heart is hurting! You said everything I was feeling! Thank you Minister Ford!
February 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM |
Man i had to weep one time after reading this out-loud to myself.
February 20, 2012 at 1:55 PM |
I won’t try to defend Marvin Winans but the guy looked almost scared & nervous like Rolaids nervous during the service. So much so we were commenting whether or not he was given instructions as to what he could or could not say. Mob boss Jakes was there. Rev Al & Jesse were right there too. I don’t intend to make light of Bro. Will’s point because he nailed it but Marvin Winans appeared to have packed it as soon as he went off course with his prosperity comment. Like that was the opening for a spirit to veer him away from what could have been as far as the salvation message he appeared to be headed too. I pray God’s mercy for us all. Thank you again Bro. Will & EX-Ministries.
February 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM |
You gotta be in love with Christ to lead people to him.
February 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM |
Yeah, in love with CHRIST; not yourself…
December 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM |
That’s absolutely a fact. Your heart is where your treasure lies. That being said we beg to question, who is Christ Jesus to these two men of the cloth.
February 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM |
Powerful! And on point. Praise God!!!
February 20, 2012 at 1:40 PM |
Thank you Will! I knew I wasn’t the only one truly disappointed that Marvin Winans used the platform allotted him to exalt himself and his family and not use it for the cause of Christ. I guess he needs to stick to singing but faith comes by hearing the Word of God! It grieved me watching him Saturday “blow it” because I knew the people in my family who were lost and we watching the service. But that’s what we can expect now from these celebrity men and women of God who are waiting on the next hustle and not affecting the next heart/soul. God Bless You and EX Ministries and continue spreading the truth because there is an audience thirsting for it!
February 20, 2012 at 1:31 PM |
THANK YOU! Winans had an opportunity to witness to the world and blew it because he was trying to build a platform for himself; I knew it was not just me and my friends that were disappointed!!!!
February 20, 2012 at 4:40 PM |
Maybe they could have said a little more, but this wasnt the time to preach a fire and brimstone message. The bible does say, “let eveything that has breath praise the lord.”
REPLY: What was it the time to do then??? Please Enlighten us?
February 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM |
I too agree partially that as minister Ford said that there were some postives about the message; however the OPPORTUNITY was greater than the message presented. You had the biggest audience ever and decided to preach a message of putting God first; not getting save or how to get save but putting God first and all these things will be added msg? More than 50% of the audience both in person and on tv were either backsliders and especially sinners!!!! He could have done better than that, thats all what the article is about
February 20, 2012 at 9:11 PM |
just as pastor ford said, instant in and out of season, of all times to preach the gospel you would think a funeral would be it, the way ppl are leaving this world, singing at one persons funeral this week, then the next week someone singing at theirs, preachers always wanna put ppl in heaven. but if God ddnt put them there, they aint there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there was a football player, i dont know his name but i read in jet that he died in the 80s in a car accident, but he was saved and his funeral ended up leading others to salvation. same with ppl who dont make it, if its too late for them, a funeral is a good time to preach the this could be you gospel. and praising the lord is something we should do at all times, yes, but at a funeral, i would say its more importan to lead ppl to salvation, then they can praise the Lord, because there some ppl who were at that funeral who may never see the inside of a church alive again, just praising the lord does not get you into heaven.
February 21, 2012 at 4:11 AM |
If you consider the salvation message to be a fire and brimstone message, then it is always an appropriate time for anyone that is perishing.
February 21, 2012 at 4:29 PM |
How sad if you think a fire and brimstone message is the only way to preach salvation.
February 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM |
Heidi what do you mean by a fire and brimestone message?? The gospel is not the message of condemnation but of TRUTH… we don’t have any excuse for not preaching to the lost.